Dantrell's GNOME Without Systemd Project (Part 4)

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Dantrell's GNOME Without Systemd Project (Part 4)

I think it is time to drop the "Without Systemd" part from the title as it could mislead users into thinking they would need to add the overlay for that purpose. But this has not been special for quite some time. I'll leave it up to you if it is still worth the sticky, but in my opinion what remains is an overly fork happy repository with GNOME versions often ahead of Gentoo repository.

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It is well enough identifyable by the name of its maintainer.

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I could probably say "that software package from Freedesktop.org that does authorization" instead of "Polkit", "that fork of systemd-logind originally developed for GNU Guix" instead of "elogind", or "that KDE component that implements a window manager and compositor" instead of "KWin", and maybe people would understand what I mean, but the fact remains that "Polkit", "elogind" and "KWin" are those projects' names...

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The thread title is not here to promote a "brand" but a purpose. The purpose at this point would rather be described as "Dantrell's overlay of many GNOME versions" which arguably would do a better job to address the target audience.

[dantrell]

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Dantrell, that you can't respond in a normal way is your own problem.

I don't care about GNOME, how you spend your free time, or how you call your project.

I do care about users in the forums and bugzilla seeking support, which providing to those using dantrell-gnome I haven't stopped completely yet, something I would have to reconsider were I to start pretending it doesn't exist.

[Hu]

Although I don't use GNOME, I have generally followed dantrell's support thread, mainly to make sure it doesn't pick up off-topic posts that distract from its use as a support thread. Along the way, I ended up reading some of dantrell's responses to users. As I understand it, the forking done in the project is because that was the least bad way of implementing the changes that dantrell felt were necessary for proper operation. I grant that the name may confuse new users, but for a long time, the name's implicit claim that this was the only way to use modern GNOME without systemd was, as far as I know, accurate. It may no longer be accurate to imply that this is the sole way to get GNOME without systemd, but the project is recognized under its historical name. If dantrell wants to rename the project, that is his choice, and if he does so, I'm happy to do what I can with stickies, thread renames, etc. to help users find the new name. If he chooses not to rename the project, I think keeping the existing forum thread title is preferable. I'm not inclined to push him to one choice or the other without clear evidence that keeping the name is a problem. I've had to move relatively few GNOME-without-systemd posts due to people putting them in the wrong place, and I cannot recall any of those where the user was confused about what they were getting. Instead, they were mistaken in the belief that posting in P&P was the right venue for a system which had numerous packages from dantrell's overlay. By standing policy, P&P is usually not the right venue for a system which has notable influence from any overlay. Dantrell's project is not singled out in this regard.

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[Hu]

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