eselect news 2022-07-29-pipewire-sound-server

Waterdevil

Hi reckless pipewire-pusher!

I came from vacation, made an update of gentoo and had no sound. After 5 days playing around I managed it.

And the next day you make glorious news! This is an absolute impertinence.

I insist, that a working system doesn't get broken from a change of configuration - I don't neet pipewire, I don't like it, I want get rid of it. Leave my configuration alone! %$&§!!!

I found no configuration without this unready buggy pipewire-bullsh..

If I want to change to another sound server "I" want to decide this!

I have no tv-set and NEED my gentoo system. On the other side I don't like to have a second windows system only as backup for such unprofessional approach without announcement.
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sam_ · Developer Joined: 14 Aug 2020 Posts: 1685

Thanks for your kind words.

I don't know what you're referring to with 5 days because it was only stabled (and the news item pushed at the same time) 2 days ago. The "announcement" is what a news item is.

The good news is, the change means you can explicitly choose which sound server you want, and no more pipewire interference. That's indeed the whole point of the change. No further changes are planned. The changes were foisted upon us by upstream as PipeWire is very new and changing quite a bit still.

The change was in ~arch for a bit longer. While I don't believe in breaking things in ~arch and it was never the intention, I will say that if you absolutely require things to always work, using stable for some packages may be a good idea. But note that the ebuild also gave messages for what to do anyway.

You may wish to consider using the stable versions of PipeWire and PulseAudio as well.

We endeavour to be professional and provide a good experience for our users, but if truly require enterprise professional-level support, you're free to take out a support contract.

<3 · Veteran Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1081

waterdevil it is not the gentoo devs that is pushing pipewire. It's upstream packages that are pushing it. Complain to them and have respect for Gentoo devs that are volunteering to help you.

That being said I am having the same issue. No audio, I followed the eselect news "2022-07-29 PipeWire sound server migration", I followed the instructions to use pulseaudio sound server, I am running openrc.

jplx-gnt2 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:01 pm Post subject:

Respectfully... this is not exactly "user friendly" because the sound is broken first on systems running pulseaudio (probably the majority of users)
in order to force the migration to pipewire. Is there no way to perform such a migration seamlessly? Maybe similar to the one for python3_10?
Additional respectful comment: with systemd, the four systemctl command should be run as user (not root), according to the gentoo pipewire handbook.
user $ systemctl --user disable --now pulseaudio.socket pulseaudio.service
user $ systemctl --user enable --now pipewire.socket pipewire-pulse.socket wireplumber.service
The sound is now working :-)

Naib · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:10 pm Post subject:

Hu · Administrator Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 21715

jplx-gnt2 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:54 pm Post subject:

What happened is this: the sound was working fine on several computers I use to practice with gentoo. After recent update, the sound did not work anymore on any of them. So, the sound was broken.
They all run gnome-wayland. After performing the steps under 1 of the news to use pipewire, the sound is working again on all of them.
As far as "user" is concerned, By "systemd user" I would understand people who use systemd, not an indication to run the following commands as user.
Respectfully.

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8938

The '$' sign didn't give you a hint as well?
Respectfully.

Hu · Administrator Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 21715

jplx-gnt2 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:44 pm Post subject:

1 - Yes, I followed the flow closely and had the following pipewire file in /etc/portage/package.use:
media-video/pipewire sound-server
media-sound/pulseaudio -daemon
before running the sync, emerge update and depclean.
By the way, I am not the only one with this problem: Waterdevil started this conversation.
2 - pipewire ok on my systems (4 so far). Those systems are all different (old, recent, top notch).
3 - I think users would appreciate more than a "hint". Why not simply say: use the following commands as user?
Cheers!

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

jplx-gnt2 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:29 pm Post subject:

In the gentoo handbooks, usually root commands show "root # " and user commands show "user $". It is the case in the pipewire handbook.
Anyway, let us be positive: we clarified something if it needed to be clarified and the issue appears to be resolved as far as I am concerned.
Thank you for taking the time for your comments.

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8938

<3 · Veteran Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1081

Waterdevil · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:14 pm Post subject:

Hi,

sorry, but I was angry. I was so angry, that I let go 2 days before opening this post and so this was the friendly version

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I have two systems, one openrc and one systemd (I thought so at least one could survive. - 11. Commandment Thou shalt not being mistaken.).
Both are stable only with some packages ~arch, where emerge has errors.

Both lost the sound on July 26 after emerge -v --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y --complete-graph=y @world.
There were obviously changes with sound on stable without announcement.

First try was stable pulseaudio-16.0, second try ~arch64 pulseaudio-16.1. Both didn't solve the problem.

If I tried media-video/pipewire -sound-server I got blocker, which I couldn't solve - maybe I'm too silly for solving blockers, because in 80% of updates, I have unsolvable blockers. So I only make updates all 6 months - and I'm always afraid like hell. In cases of blockers, I solve them with many manual emerges.

In the kind of:
# emerge -p > d1
# various cut and sorts
# i=0 ; for p in $(<d4) ; do ((i++)) ; echo $i $p ; emerge -1 $p ; done

If there is astonishingly no problem with emerge, then grub doesn't work or rescue shell appears (I have root on zfs). If none of these, I'm sure to be unable to emerge a very important package, because of an unknown and unsolved bug. Or pam locks me out for weeks, like I had.

This time I 1. was dropped into rescue shell, 2. after starting gnome "there is a problem..." and no login, 3. many blockers, 4. No sound. And then I freaked out!

I tried 4 days again and again with different configurations, emerge -e and consulting the gentoo handbook, pulseaudio, pipewire and so on (many internet sites i.e. arch linux, ubuntu). On July 29 20:50 suddenly it worked, but I didn't know why. I didn't see new news, but maybe there was an update during my tries on this day.

Next day I saw the announcement of changes, which hit me days before...

I still can't use media-video/pipewire -sound-server, so I'm impelled to use pipewire. This causes a crapton of 1. my airpods don't work anymore, 2. vlc crashes, 3. If I klick a mp3 then no more GUI and I have to kill -9 this process.

I'm not amused to open an infinity count of problem posts or endless looking for existing solutions, although it was running perfect previously.
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sam_ · Developer Joined: 14 Aug 2020 Posts: 1685

AJM · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:03 pm Post subject:

Waterdevil · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:25 am Post subject:

Hi, I don't believe in short update cycle.

I remember Neddy Seagoon showed how to update an ancient system and made the updates once for a year see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:NeddySeagoon/HOWTO_Update_Old_Gentoo.

I did the next update on Aug 10 as you suggested and chaos rised more.

Now on my first system which has root on zfs my second pool for data isn't mounted automatially any more and I can't find the reason.
So all dependent doesn't work like home directory on this pool, mysql, swap...
I read all relevant handbooks and checked everything(?), but had no success.

On my second system I cannot log in any more - there are pam messages!

I will open new threads with my (not mine, because I changed nothing) particular issues.

So with each and every update since 2016 it looks like I need a little einstein to solve all the new problems.
But blockers are not the problem. They aren't solved automatically but I solve them in 20 hours for every package extra.
I would be glad to know what's wrong customized with my portage, but the other things are primary.

I checked my system and I only have ~amd64 for packages which can't emerge.

I really LOVE gentoo and don't like to give it up - I don't want to support this american censoring regime with microshit!

Fyi: I had my first computer programming experience on tandy radioshack in 1979 and my first online account at compuserve and at that time my IQ was measured with more than 190 (not measurable), so please have indulgence with an ageing senile getting odd disenchanted grumpy retiree, who want to keep pace.

Let that be a sorry!
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Hu · Administrator Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 21715

Yes, old systems can be updated - but doing so is far more trouble than updating a system that is routinely maintained and kept similar to well tested configurations.

<3 · Veteran Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1081

waterdevil, it sounds like most of the issues that you are posting about are addressed in elect news articles. Since you are updating infrequently are you reading those articles before you update, the issue when updating your system so infrequently is not you're probably dealing with multiple large updates at a single time which can make managing your Gentoo install much more difficult. Like others have said I would suggest updating more frequently than once every 6 months else you are going to keep dealing with these complex issues all at once.

thumper · Guru Joined: 06 Dec 2002 Posts: 552 Location: Venice FL

I lost my sound yesterday, turned on the machine and no sound.
Day before I did an emerge update world, updated to kernel 5.18.18, and did an emerge clean.
After testing it was not the kernel, I then commented out the options snd-hda-intel lines I had in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
Rebooted and no sound, removed ~/.asoundrc and sound returned and no longer need the options snd-hda-intel in alsa.conf

I kept it breif, but put this here in case it is of value to anyone.

George

Waterdevil · Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:23 pm Post subject:

Hi <3,

thank you for this suggestion. I every time read the eselect news before an update of @world.
If it seems tricky I choose the suggested safe version like update to profile 17 and python updates.
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