(Partial) Goodbye Gentoo

ValerieVonck · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:44 am Post subject: (Partial) Goodbye Gentoo

So after a few years running Gentoo on my (parent's) NUC, it is time to say (partial) goodbye and to move back to Windows.
On my VirtualBoxes, I will keep Gentoo alive (as they require no GUI).

The reason I am saying goodbye, is to my humble opion, the lack of good documentation.
Do not take it personally, I know how it sounds. (really I know).

So there was QtWebengine compile time (4 à 5 hours one 1 core), then libcryptx, ..., then X.org / mkfontdir retirement / depreciation dealt the final blow.
On my vb's, emerge checks / verifies the download, on the NUC, it does not. (latest portage installed)
Running X as root on the NUC... no problem :?:

Tried the same on VB -> I did not get X working at all :s

The packages got dropped and in the dep. graph and I can no longer uprade my system anymore.. (xorg-server, mkfontdir (it blocks on this)),
libffi does not update because it uses Python 3.6 etc etc.

Searched on the fora, on the wiki, news... nothing is found. I thought I saw passing by a package.mask some day, but I am not sure

Not everything should be low hanging fruit. I get it.
But trying to figure things out, the latest times, it is getting more & more difficult.

Hopefully, in a couple years, to quote some famous Austrian actor: I will be (probably) be back.

To end, I admit, that the people on the fora are very helpfully and willingly to think with me and help me.

Thank you,
Kind regards,
Valerie
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CooSee · Veteran Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 1502 Location: Earth

for me it's the opposite - Gentoo is getting better everyday - switched to wayland without Xorg and i love it.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:37 pm Post subject:

ValerieVonck,

Python 3.6 ... that may be a case of neglect.

Gentoo is really split into two parts. Installing/updating and running.
The two need not happen on the same system.

Post back if you want help with your update.
If not, you will only stray for a while :)
Good luck with either path.
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ValerieVonck · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:17 pm Post subject:

pietinger · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:27 pm Post subject:

Valerie,

please allow me to help you to change your mind about Gentoo. First of all:

Yes, sometimes not all is documented for various reasons. One reason could be we have new developments from upstream and time was to short to write a new wiki article. But - I tried it myself - if you google some IT terms you will get almost our Gentoo Wiki articles at first ...

... and if all fail ... we have a wonderful forum with many experts for almost every thema. Dont expect that for other distributions ...

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:23 pm Post subject:

ValerieVonck,

As pietinger suggested, you may have world (file) pollution.

The packages listed in world will be kept installed by portage until one day, you get a "There are no ebuilds for foo/bar"
You have foo/bar in your world file but its been removed from the repo. A missed --oneshot can do that.

Its also possible that you have an entry in /etc/portage/* the keeps old versions of python installed.

Life changes with time. Priorities change.
There is really no pressure to do anything gentoo wise from the forum.
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Spanik · Veteran Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: Belgium

I cannot help but sometimes I feel like this as well. The laptop is now 24 into its update (previous update was 14 days ago). This is an older i7 with 8GB ram (ok, this could be better). But even on the desktop building a new kernel takes hours (Epyc 7401P, 64GB) and an @world takes most of the day each weekend.

Linux as an OS is fine but the ecosystem of applications is getting worse and irritating me more and more. Maybe I'm using the wrong applications or so. Maybe I should open a thread about it.
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asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9326

You are doing something wrong. New kernel build with a 3900X takes a few seconds.

In general if you are not prepared to take on the learning curve then you will always keep struggling and Gentoo is not the right choice for you. Which is perfectly fine since there are many alternative distributions available that handle things for you.

Spanik · Veteran Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: Belgium

pietinger · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:16 pm Post subject:

Try a "make -j24" ;-)

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:48 pm Post subject:

pietinger,

Its worse than that ... make.conf is not consulted at all.
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Spanik · Veteran Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: Belgium

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9326

That also takes... Seconds.

pietinger · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:52 pm Post subject:

Spanik · Veteran Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: Belgium

Hu · Administrator Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 23017

For those who wish to follow along, the new thread appears to be building new kernel is very slow.

FilthyPitDog · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:03 pm Post subject:

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FilthyPitDog · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:11 pm Post subject:

yes, Ive always associated make.conf more with automation and portage stuff so logically to me manually running "make" it should follow the options provided to it. Not some file
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