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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:26 pm Post subject: sys-devel/gcc-bin stable from latest stage3 [WIP] |
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EDIT: app-office/libreoffice-bin has a sys-devel/gcc:x dependency.
Didn't notice until now...
Seems to be here for a little while...
Quite surprising for a binary.
Forces to build gcc:13 one a different rig here as local 1Gb RAM would be deadly pain for sys-devel/gcc:13 local build.
Maybe gcc-bin-x package is on its way to portage tree?
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sabayonino Veteran
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi , check deps graph for atom
Code: | equery g libreoffice-bin | grep gcc | uniq
[ 1] sys-devel/gcc-13.2.1_p20230826 |
Fo a single package :
Code: | # equery g =app-office/libreoffice-bin-7.5.5.2 | grep gcc
[ 1] sys-devel/gcc-13.2.1_p20230826
# equery g =app-office/libreoffice-bin-7.5.6.2 | grep gcc
[ 1] sys-devel/gcc-13.2.1_p20230826 |
No need specific gcc version required for the libreoffice src
Code: | equery g app-office/libreoffice | grep gcc
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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ebuild
sys-devel/clang aficionados ought be very disappointed IMHO.
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Ionen Developer
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's built against libstdc++ which is provided by the gcc package, it's just depending on a library that it is using.
Edit: given mismatches, this is likely to be messy on a libcxx system too
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Does it mean running libreoffice-bin requires gcc-config to be configured accordingly to its build?
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Ionen Developer
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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No, which gcc you use to build things (if at all) and what gcc-config points to doesn't matter. It just wants a (recent enough) gcc package for its libraries. |
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ionen wrote: | No, which gcc you use to build things (if at all) and what gcc-config points to doesn't matter. It just wants a (recent enough) gcc package for its libraries. |
Ok, so gcc-config doesn't count
However above linked ebuild has Code: | >=sys-devel/gcc-13.2 | whereas libreoffice doesn't...
Puzzling somehow...
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Ionen Developer
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Similarly to glibc (which doesn't let you downgrade), if libreoffice-bin was built against gcc13's libstdc++, and then you try to use gcc12's libstdc++, it'll be broken (gcc14's would be fine given it's forward compatible, but if you built it with gcc14's libstdc++ then you'd have to do >=gcc14).
So it rightfully depends on these minimum version that it used for both glibc and gcc: Code: | >=sys-devel/gcc-13.2
>=sys-libs/glibc-2.37 | And given both of these are stable, not much reason to build it against older versions (or at least not when the build is intended for Gentoo only). |
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Hu Administrator
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Although not for libreoffice-bin, just today I ran into a manifestation of this. My build host has the newest stable gcc, and built a program that happened to link to a gcc-provided shared library. I then used emerge --usepkgonly to install that program on a machine which did not have the newest gcc, and the program did not work there. Installing the newer gcc on the consuming system fixed it. I had no specific reason not to update gcc on the consuming system. I had not bothered to do so because I had no compelling reason, until now, that I should. |
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sabayonino Veteran
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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CaptainBlood wrote: |
However above linked ebuild has Code: | >=sys-devel/gcc-13.2 | whereas libreoffice doesn't...
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hu Administrator
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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What is the goal of that report? Posters here already explained that the dependency is in the ebuild because violating that dependency results in a non-working program. Are you asserting that the dependency is incorrect, and that the program will work even when the dependency is unsatisfied? Are you asking the developers to rebuild libreoffice with an older gcc so that you can skip updating your compiler? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Code: |
genlop -i gcc
* sys-devel/gcc
Total builds: 25
Global build time: 1 day, 6 hours, 31 minutes and 30 seconds.
Average merge time: 1 hour, 13 minutes and 15 seconds.
genlop -i libreoffice
* app-office/libreoffice
Total builds: 46
Global build time: 4 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes and 51 seconds.
Average merge time: 2 hours, 31 minutes and 50 seconds.
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hu wrote: | What is the goal of that report? Posters here already explained that the dependency is in the ebuild because violating that dependency results in a non-working program. Are you asserting that the dependency is incorrect, and that the program will work even when the dependency is unsatisfied? Are you asking the developers to rebuild libreoffice with an older gcc so that you can skip updating your compiler? | Hmm,
I see better now. libreoffice want the stdc++ it has been compiled with....
However it has been formulated earlier, I didn't got it right until now.
I will invalidate my CR. No issue there.
Since we mostly all need a gcc once in a while, emerging libreoffice should be faster in all tje cases where local gcc and requested one versions don't match.
At least once in a month a new stage3 spins out.
Which will eventually gets updated with a new stable version of sys-devel/gcc with basic features.
Matching package in portage tree might sound appropriate to more that one person.
(I know I could fake a install and get a binary package out of it. But that would be a real pain.)
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Zucca Moderator
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: sys-devel/gcc-bin stable from latest stage3 [WIP] |
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CaptainBlood wrote: | local 1Gb RAM would be deadly pain for sys-devel/gcc:13 local build. |
1Gb RAM might be doable for local builds, but you will need to adjust whole lot of stuff: no parallel jobs, no --pipe... and have some swap and maybe enable zswap.
I know it's fun limbo game to build all packages locally on low end hardware. But then you should expect very long compilation times.
I'd put my time to setup proper binhost for such machines. _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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CaptainBlood Advocate
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wiki: Fix my gentoo provides a path to extract sys-devel/gcc from stage3 tar file. sys-devel/gcc:13 is now stabilized and should be available from there for binary packaging.
sys-devel/gcc is the mother of many critical portage updates.
Portage tree has: Code: | dev-lang/ammonite-repl-bin
dev-lang/closure-compiler-bin
dev-lang/dafny-bin
dev-lang/julia-bin
dev-lang/rust-bin | However sys-devel/gcc-bin isn't going to happen soon, despite it would be helpful in many cases.
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Zucca Moderator
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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CaptainBlood wrote: | Wiki: Fix my gentoo provides a path to extract sys-devel/gcc from stage3 tar file. |
CaptainBlood wrote: | However sys-devel/gcc-bin isn't going to happen soon, despite it would be helpful in many cases.
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support. | There you have it. ;) You can now create an ebuild for your local repo which uses stage3.tar as its SRC_URI and then extracts the gcc from there to your system. _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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