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 Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:16 pm Post subject: The xz package has been backdoored |
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I was made aware of this: https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
My system is currently using app-arch/xz-utils-5.6.1 which seems to be affected. I also found this: https://bugs.gentoo.org/928134
Should I downgrade app-arch/xz-utils to 5.4.6-r1?
Its going to be a hop topic for a week or two yet. Stuck by NeddySeagoon
[Administrator edit: Unstuck 2024-11-25. -Hu]
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd expect there is or soon will be a GLSA for this, right? That's probably the most visible single communication channel for this kind of thing. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that's one rotten take on easter eggs.
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@pablo_supertux
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Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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saturnalia0
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:23 am Post subject: |
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If I understand it correctly the exploit relies on ifunc. https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/GNU_IFUNC
Seems to me like it would make sense to disable that on single-user Gentoo systems with -march=native CFLAG, where the compile target is exclusively the host, for which the code is optimized by the compiler, as instructed by -march.
Reading this thread: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1088276-start-0.html, it seems that this can be achieved by setting -multiarch on glibc and rebuilding. Hu mentiones some scenarios where it's useful even with -march, but it seems to me the most common scenario where hardware remains the same there is no advantage for runtime optimization with ifunc?
Thinking about adding -multiarch and maybe -lzma to make.conf and rebuilding the world set... Bad idea?  |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Github has disabled the repository, if you go to https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz you get an error message.
I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, it's good that github take steps to protect the community, but on the other hand it rather "hides the crimes", several site with more information and analysis of this issue have been linking to commit and pull requests from the repo and now they all are gone, you cannot inspect them themselves. Somehow I find even more upsetting and it makes almost impossible to keep investigating the behaviour of the xz-utils maintainer.
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| My guess would be it is an attempt to prevent inadvertent downloads of the compromised versions, and the people who took action didn't have a better way to do it immediately available to them. But yeah, I don't like it either... |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:06 am Post subject: |
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https://gist.github.com/thesamesam
There is enough high-level and general technical info in the "FAQ on the xz-utils backdoor". It is not necessary for every person to need access to the commits linked therein. Git Hub made the right decision. It is clearly not a case of hiding the crimes but as saturnalia0 said " is an attempt to prevent inadvertent downloads of the compromised versions." For the average user, not using the compromised version should be sufficient for now. I don't see how preventing access to the compromised code is impeding anything. |
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| saturnalia0 wrote: | ...
Thinking about adding -multiarch and maybe -lzma to make.conf and rebuilding the world set... Bad idea? |
Yeah. -multiarch is only used in glibc so makes more sense to set it /etc/package.use. If you set -lzma in make.conf you loose a lot of functionality, and probably not necessary anyway.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| rab0171610 wrote: | | I don't see how preventing access to the compromised code is impeding anything. |
It impedes would-be detectives from tracing down specifically when bad commits were introduced, from inspecting what supposed justifications were offered for why the actually-bad commits were supposedly good and useful, and, for those who have not already fetched the compromised code, it impedes their ability to unpack it into a sandbox to inspect its abilities. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think "would-be detectives" says it all. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| figueroa wrote: | | If you set -lzma in make.conf you loose a lot of functionality, and probably not necessary anyway. |
Err, what kind of functionality? I did this earlier this morning. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Is it reasonable to change kernel compression method too ? I use XZ for both kernel & initramfs. Maybe excessive.. what do you think ? |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: |
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sdauth,
Its early days but an abundance of caution is in order.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Alright, I'll give a try to zstd then  |
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https://hackaday.com/2024/03/29/security-alert-potential-ssh-backdoor-via-liblzma/#comment-6745880
"One of the xz maintainers, [Jia Tan], weighed in on that Gentoo bug, suggesting that it was a GCC bug causing the Valgrind errors."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHtt57iOjpA
Talking about the xz/liblzma ssh backdoor | ASMR WHISPER
extracted from 5.6.1
| Code: | $ ls -l
total 48
-rw-r--r-- 1 my-user my-user 512 mar 9 05:16 bad-3-corrupt_lzma2.xz
-rw-r--r-- 1 my-user my-user 4399 mar 9 05:16 build-to-host.m4
-rw-r--r-- 1 my-user my-user 35421 mar 9 05:16 good-large_compressed.lzma |
UD to 5.4.1 from a portage backup so not -sync.
I see that the only unmasked version is 5.4.2
| Code: | $ eix -Ic app-arch/xz-utils
[I] app-arch/xz-utils (5.4.1[1]@30/03/24): Utils for managing LZMA compressed files
[1] "repo_local" /usr/local/portage |
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From what I've been reading it's unlikely to be active on gentoo systems due to it getting hooked into sshd via systemd-notify support which is not enabled by default for gentoo systems. I do not believe there has been a full analysis completed yet on what all the malicious code might be compromising yet though.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| rab0171610 wrote: | | I think "would-be detectives" says it all. |
Correct. They would be detectives if they could get the relevant data, but since the data is now unavailable, they will not be detectives. Hence, "would-be detectives." |
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saturnalia0
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| psycho_driver wrote: |
From what I've been reading it's unlikely to be active on gentoo systems due to it getting hooked into sshd via systemd-notify support which is not enabled by default for gentoo systems. I do not believe there has been a full analysis completed yet on what all the malicious code might be compromising yet though. |
Right, this exploit wouldn't, but another one might? My point being, is there a point to ifunc on single-user Gentoo targeting exclusively the host, and where hardware does not change (common desktop use case)? I'm leaning towards -multiarch, not because of this issue in particular, but because it seems like unnecessary attack surface. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| OT: time to look at lzip |
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