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dimko
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 Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:44 am Post subject: does gnome require now pipewire?[solved] |
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Hi.
Don't want to install pipewire. For years we had pulse audio that sucked. Now it works more or less, now pipewire is shoved down the throats. And it sucks now too. I constantly have problem with microphone.
- media-video/pipewire-1.0.5::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
(dependency required by "sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.4::gentoo" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "x11-base/xwayland-23.2.6::gentoo[libei]" [installed])
(dependency required by "x11-wm/mutter-45.5::gentoo[wayland]" [installed])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])
I checked USE flags of all those above, non have pipewire.
Yet https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal/dependencies
This one has it as dependency. So... Gentoo is basically telling us, no pipewire - no kde/gnome?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:01 am Post subject: Re: does gnome require now pipewire? |
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| dimko wrote: | | This one has it as dependency. So... Gentoo is basically telling us, no pipewire - no kde/gnome? |
Gentoo doesn't say anything at all, simply some kde or gnome packages require pipewire.
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pipewire is not only for audio (screencast), and not all software's upstream bothers making use of its library optional like xdg-desktop-portal does (that package is not gnome-specific and is also pulled by plasma-meta, tend to be needed for proper DE integration).
That doesn't mean you have to stop using pulseaudio and setup pipewire though, much like how many packages will still want wayland libraries even if you still use X11.
That aside, migrating to pipewire isn't such a bad idea... but even if you do you'll find yourself still needing libpulse and USE=pulseaudio on packages  You'll just have a different daemon running. |
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logrusx
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:46 am Post subject: |
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You can still use pulse-audio as a sound server. Just enable daemon on pulseaudio and then resolve the conflicts. Pipewire is required for screencast and other stuff.
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dimko
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| logrusx wrote: | | You can still use pulse-audio as a sound server. Just enable daemon on pulseaudio and then resolve the conflicts. |
Daemon is enabled. And conflicts are why I am here...
I will emerge pipewire and not use it. But I am pretty sure i will have problems with it installed.
Ill respond later once I have done it.
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I think you can get what you want by installing pipewire with USE='-sound-server'
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dimko
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:17 am Post subject: Thanks for suggestions |
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recompiled with "deep".
So far works. i can run pulseaudio and all seems to work.
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| dimko wrote: | | But I am pretty sure i will have problems with it installed. |
That sounds unfounded. It's in fact not likely. Pipewire doesn't interfere with pulseaudio.
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dimko
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| logrusx wrote: | | dimko wrote: | | But I am pretty sure i will have problems with it installed. |
That sounds unfounded. It's in fact not likely. Pipewire doesn't interfere with Pulseaudio.
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I can easily see one situation when both running together is impossible.
Alsa with no dmix, for purpose of better latency. Both will try to access ALSA and one will fail, since hardware resource of second process will be inaccessible.
And then potential second issue, Pipewire for purpose of using as sound daemon. If pulse is running same time, any process that tries to connect to ALSA or Pulseaudio can cause issues or will have issues. If two servers allow for pulse connection, how is decision made to connect to one of those?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| dimko wrote: | | logrusx wrote: | | dimko wrote: | | But I am pretty sure i will have problems with it installed. |
That sounds unfounded. It's in fact not likely. Pipewire doesn't interfere with Pulseaudio.
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Georgi |
I can easily see one situation when both running together is impossible.
Alsa with no dmix, for purpose of better latency. Both will try to access ALSA and one will fail, since hardware resource of second process will be inaccessible.
And then potential second issue, Pipewire for purpose of using as sound daemon. If pulse is running same time, any process that tries to connect to ALSA or Pulseaudio can cause issues or will have issues. If two servers allow for pulse connection, how is decision made to connect to one of those? |
You can't have pipewire with sound-server enabled at the same time with pulseaudio-daemon. You can either have pulseaudio-daemon or pipewire[sound-server].
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| dimko wrote: | | logrusx wrote: | | dimko wrote: | | But I am pretty sure i will have problems with it installed. |
That sounds unfounded. It's in fact not likely. Pipewire doesn't interfere with Pulseaudio. |
I can easily see one situation when both running together is impossible.
Alsa with no dmix, for purpose of better latency. Both will try to access ALSA and one will fail, since hardware resource of second process will be inaccessible.
And then potential second issue, Pipewire for purpose of using as sound daemon. If pulse is running same time, any process that tries to connect to ALSA or Pulseaudio can cause issues or will have issues. If two servers allow for pulse connection, how is decision made to connect to one of those? |
You are conflating two arguments. First you said you will have problems with it installed, and logrusx disputed that. I agree with logrusx: having both packages installed at the same time should be fine. Later, you posit that both packages are in use at the same time, and that such use will fail. That seems possible, but that is not what you said first, and thus not what logrusx responded to. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Hu wrote: | | Later, you posit that both packages are in use at the same time, and that such use will fail. That seems possible, but that is not what you said first, and thus not what logrusx responded to. |
If it's up to portage, it's impossible. Pipewire[sound-server] is blocking pulesaudio-daemon:
and pulseaudio-daemon is blocking pipewire[sound-server]:
To make it possible you need an out of tree installation for one of the packages.
Otherwise I saw the two arguments conflation but I kind of expected it'll go that direction and didn't find necessary to address it.
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