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lquenti
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 Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:08 am Post subject: Does it make sense to rebuild everything for performance? |
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Hi,
I am going back to gentoo for performance reasons, mainly for the CPU specific optimizations. For that, I have set -march="native", but this obviously doesn't apply to the already compiled packages within stage3.
I saw in the forum that it is quite trivial to recompile everything. So
1. Does it actually increase overall performance? How significant? (5% would be plenty of a reason)
2. Is it stable to compile everything with native CPU target? Since, according to the handbook, other stuff like O3 is not.
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pietinger
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, let me say that an “emerge -e world” CAN bring advantages. But possibly in a different way than you think. Recompiling everything is also a check that all your settings for Portage are correct. It was also necessary for the conversion from 17.1 profiles to 23.0 profiles (*).
Compiling all programs with the CURRENT gcc can be advantageous; therefore you should first check whether you already have the current gcc active (“gcc-config -l”). If necessary, you should do this:
| Code: | # emerge -1uDv gcc
# emerge -c
# emerge -e -X gcc @world |
| lquenti wrote: | | 1. Does it actually increase overall performance? [...] |
No. Everything that communicates with your hard disk will not become faster; neither will access to the main memory (perhaps minimally due to better utilization of the CPU caches). Only calculations within the program can be faster than before; this mainly affects computationally intensive applications, such as scientific calculations, compression routines (video!), or a chess engine. If a program needs a total of 2,000 ms (2 seconds) to load something from the hard disk, then you can assume that approx. 1,990 ms is waiting for the transfer from the hard disk and only 10 ms are calculations. If you can then bring these 10 ms down to 9 ms (10%), you will not notice any difference between 2,000 ms and 1,999 ms.
| lquenti wrote: | | 2. Is it stable to compile everything with native CPU target? [...] |
Normally this is correct, but there is one exception: Intel CPUs that have P- and E-cores can cause problems; here it is better to set the CPU architecture directly (example: I have an i9-13900K and have set the following in my make.conf: COMMON_FLAGS=“-march=raptorlake -O2 -pipe”).
| lquenti wrote: | | [...] other stuff like O3 is not. |
Yes.
My recommendation is: Do it, but don't expect too much.
*) paragraph 16 of https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2024-03-22-new-23-profiles.html
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lekto
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| lquenti wrote: | | 1. Does it actually increase overall performance? How significant? (5% would be plenty of a reason) |
This depends on your CPU, there are some benchmarks on Phoronix, e.g.:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-x86-64-v3-benchmark
https://www.phoronix.com/review/cachyos-x86-64-v3-v4
| lquenti wrote: | | 2. Is it stable to compile everything with native CPU target? Since, according to the handbook, other stuff like O3 is not. |
I've been using Gentoo for 10 years and don't remember any broken packages when building as native. I'm usually rebuilding stage 3 early as a stress test. This way, I once found early that my SD card was broken. |
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