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 Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:59 am Post subject: [crossdev]Migration/maintnance of an existing Gentoo install |
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I'm planning to copy up a gentoo install from an old but more powerful machine to a machine with a newer architecture but it's less powerful (typical e.g. of an old server vs a lower end but newer architecture laptop). Both machines are x86_64, however if I chroot into the laptop's gentoo install, it results in segfaults here and there because of incompatible instruction (and -march=native which I intend to keep).
| Code: | | [17534.512965] python[2202365]: segfault at 10 ip 00007ff4529fcae2 sp 00007ffe29b51ee0 error 4 in libpython3.12.so.1.0[7ff452889000+4be000] likely on CPU 6 (core 3, socket 0) |
I've migrated my Gentoo installs several times before, but this time I intend to MAINTAIN it on the server and do no compiling work on the laptop. The answer is crossdev.
I plan to copy up an existing gentoo install into /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/, however crossdev installs packages which has /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/bin,lib, and the existing gentoo install also has these directories which results in conflicts. Can someone please suggest what to do? Will it be right to overwrite symlinks /lib and /bin to that of crossdev's directories? No packages install any files in /bin/ but I found files in /lib which belongs to sys-apps/baselayout, sys-apps/hwdata, sys-apps/systemd etc...
ROOT= emerge...
| Code: | | ROOT=/mnt/laptop emerge.... |
Will not work because the build process tends to copy parts of the static libraries form the host machine which which is -march=native therefore older architecture. There are other problems too because (like emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy ">=x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.119[video_cards_radeon]".) because of which I'm forced to think about crossroot.
Setting SYSROOT= will not work since it needs more environment variables to work.
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Question is: if I copy an existing Gentoo installation to /usr/x86_64-X-linux-gnu, do I really need to install the crossdev toolchain (like x86_64-X-linux-gnu/gcc, x86_64-X-linux-gnu/libc etc...)? Or will it work with just crossdev --init-target (because it seems to be working)?
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I've realized that the TARGET's glibc conflicts with cross-glibc. I don't know how things are supposed to work with that.
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| dE_logics wrote: | ROOT= emerge...
| Code: | | ROOT=/mnt/laptop emerge.... |
Will not work because the build process tends to copy parts of the static libraries form the host machine which which is -march=native therefore older architecture. There are other problems too because (like emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy ">=x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.119[video_cards_radeon]".) because of which I'm forced to think about crossroot.
Setting SYSROOT= will not work since it needs more environment variables to work. |
Do you know that highlighted statement in quote as fact or just speculating? Because I have not seen this behaviour before.
In your first post you said | Quote: | | I plan to copy up an existing gentoo install into /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/, however crossdev installs packages which has /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/bin,lib, and the existing gentoo install also has these directories which results in conflicts |
I am bit of confuse here because usually stage3 tarball does not create a "/usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/" so how does this directory come about?
Finally for your objective, I would suggest you use container (docker for example) on the powerful server for building, This will reduce the complexity of setting up cross compiler tool chain. |
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| pingtoo wrote: | | Do you know that highlighted statement in quote as fact or just speculating? Because I have not seen this behaviour before. |
Yes, I've seen it in 2018. And even developers warned me recently! See https://bugs.gentoo.org/939450#c7
| pingtoo wrote: | In your first post you said | Quote: | | I plan to copy up an existing gentoo install into /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/, however crossdev installs packages which has /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/bin,lib, and the existing gentoo install also has these directories which results in conflicts |
I am bit of confuse here because usually stage3 tarball does not create a "/usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/" so how does this directory come about?
Finally for your objective, I would suggest you use container (docker for example) on the powerful server for building, This will reduce the complexity of setting up cross compiler tool chain. |
Container is like a chroot (but namespaced). So if I use -march=<some other machine>, it will fail in many cases because it does not translate instructions.
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| dE_logics wrote: | | pingtoo wrote: | | Do you know that highlighted statement in quote as fact or just speculating? Because I have not seen this behaviour before. |
Yes, I've seen it in 2018. And even developers warned me recently! See https://bugs.gentoo.org/939450#c7 |
I see. So it is mostly relate to build time dependency
| Quote: | | pingtoo wrote: | In your first post you said | Quote: | | I plan to copy up an existing gentoo install into /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/, however crossdev installs packages which has /usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/bin,lib, and the existing gentoo install also has these directories which results in conflicts |
I am bit of confuse here because usually stage3 tarball does not create a "/usr/x86_64-laptop-linux-gnu/" so how does this directory come about?
Finally for your objective, I would suggest you use container (docker for example) on the powerful server for building, This will reduce the complexity of setting up cross compiler tool chain. |
Container is like a chroot (but namespaced). So if I use -march=<some other machine>, it will fail in many cases because it does not translate instructions. |
Yes I also call container as glorified chroot.
If you do the build inside chroot(or container) you should not need cross compile and still using same CPU power as host. So why cross compile still need? is it because you prefer not doing the chroot setup? (as in mounting those pseudo file systems and unmount afterword) |
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Doing a chroot for another machine X on the host Y (with a different CPU) will result in machine X's binaries (which is built using -march=native on machine X) run on Y. Unfortunately the binaries of X and Y are not completely compatible -- binaries of X contain instructions which Y does not understand.
As a result --
| Code: | traps: TaskCon~ller #5[195099] trap invalid opcode ip:7f6128f38686 sp:7f611a6c27d0 error:0 in libxul.so[3737686,7f6127ff6000+8723000]
python[2202365]: segfault at 10 ip 00007ff4529fcae2 sp 00007ffe29b51ee0 error 4 in libpython3.12.so.1.0[7ff452889000+4be000] likely on CPU 6 (core 3, socket 0)
traps: protoc[2762543] trap invalid opcode ip:564ee6216980 sp:7ffc2a8311b0 error:0 in protoc |
Yup. I got too many of these because of chrooting.
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| dE_logics wrote: | Doing a chroot for another machine X on the host Y (with a different CPU) will result in machine X's binaries (which is built using -march=native on machine X) run on Y. Unfortunately the binaries of X and Y are not completely compatible -- binaries of X contain instructions which Y does not understand.
As a result --
| Code: | traps: TaskCon~ller #5[195099] trap invalid opcode ip:7f6128f38686 sp:7f611a6c27d0 error:0 in libxul.so[3737686,7f6127ff6000+8723000]
python[2202365]: segfault at 10 ip 00007ff4529fcae2 sp 00007ffe29b51ee0 error 4 in libpython3.12.so.1.0[7ff452889000+4be000] likely on CPU 6 (core 3, socket 0)
traps: protoc[2762543] trap invalid opcode ip:564ee6216980 sp:7ffc2a8311b0 error:0 in protoc |
Yup. I got too many of these because of chrooting. |
But why are you doing -march=native in chroot? that would defeat the idea. You should set your CFLAGS for your -march=<target CPU>
For crossdev setup if you still using -march=native in the /usr/<target>/etc/portage/make.conf you will get same result (none functional binary). GCC can be instructed create any kind of binary as long as it is given right flags. so having crossdev in your idea may or may not do what you want. |
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segfaults are not incompatible instruction sets
They mean that something tried to access memory it does not own.
Incompabible instruction sets give Illegal Instruction exceptions.
Crossdev is not useful as both systems are amd64.
It should not be possible to install an amd64 target cross toolchain on an amd64 host. That would be a crossdev bug.
A chroot/namespace is the way to go.
You need to discover what -march=native means on the target then use that explicity on the build box.
There is a wiki page about building in a chroot
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You can safely use the binaries built for the older CPU on the newer. If they are both X86_64 you won't notice a difference.
If they are both X86_64-v2 compatible, the different would be even more marginal.
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By -march=native I imply -march=native on a machine FROM which the ROOT is copied over. In reality I use -march=<machine type>.
I'm not getting segfaults, I'm getting 'invalid opcode' even during compiling. For e.g. chrome, firefox will always fail with -march=<machine type>. QT will never works it results in error 'incompatible processor' and lists instructions which are not available on the build host.
Also the build host is an older system and is an AMD while the target is an intel and newer gen.
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Speaking of incompatible instruction I though x86 allowed optional extension instructions -- if on an older processor it executes an older instructions while on a newer one it executes the newer instructions.
But it turned out to be a gimmick.
| gcc man page wrote: | | -march=cpu-type allows GCC to generate code that may not run at all on processors other than the one indicated. |
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| dE_logics wrote: | By -march=native I imply -march=native on a machine FROM which the ROOT is copied over. In reality I use -march=<machine type>.
I'm not getting segfaults, I'm getting 'invalid opcode' even during compiling. For e.g. chrome, firefox will always fail with -march=<machine type>. QT will never works it results in error 'incompatible processor' and lists instructions which are not available on the build host.
Also the build host is an older system and is an AMD while the target is an intel and newer gen. |
X86_64 stuff currently is out of my league, I am using ARM64 primary. So I can only give general advise. The Intel/AMD need someone with more expertise than I am.
However I suggest you provide more information. so we can provide closer to target advise. For example- <chroot dir>/etc/portage/make.conf
- in chroot env, execute emerge --info
- which package(s) build with error. And the error message (build.log)
- How the chroot setup. If you have a script share the script, or share generate step by step.
I think with better understand the condition we can provide more concrete suggestions. |
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AMD and Intel have always had incompatiple instruction set extensions.
Intel started with MMX, AMD added 3dnow!
It's been downhill from there.
See the building in a chroot wiki page for how to handle it.
I would post a link but I'm on my phone.
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | AMD and Intel have always had incompatiple instruction set extensions.
Intel started with MMX, AMD added 3dnow!
It's been downhill from there.
See the building in a chroot wiki page for how to handle it.
I would post a link but I'm on my phone. |
Yes, that's what I've been doing with firefox and chromium. I use -mtune instead. A QT build like this is impossible. Cross compile is the only way...
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| pingtoo wrote: | | dE_logics wrote: | By -march=native I imply -march=native on a machine FROM which the ROOT is copied over. In reality I use -march=<machine type>.
I'm not getting segfaults, I'm getting 'invalid opcode' even during compiling. For e.g. chrome, firefox will always fail with -march=<machine type>. QT will never works it results in error 'incompatible processor' and lists instructions which are not available on the build host.
Also the build host is an older system and is an AMD while the target is an intel and newer gen. |
X86_64 stuff currently is out of my league, I am using ARM64 primary. So I can only give general advise. The Intel/AMD need someone with more expertise than I am.
However I suggest you provide more information. so we can provide closer to target advise. For example- <chroot dir>/etc/portage/make.conf
- in chroot env, execute emerge --info
- which package(s) build with error. And the error message (build.log)
- How the chroot setup. If you have a script share the script, or share generate step by step.
I think with better understand the condition we can provide more concrete suggestions. |
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make.conf is empty. I'm using custom profiles instead.
See https://bugs.gentoo.org/944725 for the failed build. Also happens with chromium. The error message and build log is same in chroot.
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dE_logics,
I wish I can be more of help. but I can't because I don't know how to parse your current post and the bug report 944725.
And the reason is in chroot there is usually no need to have ROOT=<something> whereas in that bug report you state "ROOT=" I don't know that mean ROOT have a value of something you just want to hide or ROOT have value of blank or no environment variable ROOT at all.
I assume the emerge --info output include in your last post is executed inside chroot environment, It looks fine to me. One suggestion is you might want to enable build binary in EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS and possible use --with-bdeps=y instread =n because you want this to be your build environment.
your USE flag have "pgo", this will NOT work in this different CPU setup (Intel vs AMD). Because you target build is Intel machine but executed on AMD, the pgo will run binary for Intel which most likely will fail.
your bug report 955725 is failed for the above "pgo" reason.
For me, in order to understand and make suggestion, I usually need to be sure the environment that got error condition need very obviously (as in verbose), I usually need exactly the command that cause the error and some indication the environment condition. In this case you post the output as I asked, however I don't know if this is inside chroot or not or this is crossdev-emerge output . If you had include the host emerge --info in the same post then I will be able to know for sure. Please note I am not blaming. I just try to explain my way of debugging and a example how I would know for sure. the other possible would be you post include the command prompt which have indicator it is in chroot. |
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