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rzdndr
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 Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:39 am Post subject: Gentoo with openrc wants to update systemd-utils |
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Hello
I am using gentoo with openrc or I think I am using openrc  . But today when I wanted to update my system I have seen a systemd-utils that was being updated. Is this correct on an openrc system?
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Calculating dependencies... done!
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[ebuild U ] sys-apps/systemd-utils-254.17::gentoo [254.13::gentoo] USE="acl kmod tmpfiles udev -boot -kernel-install -secureboot (-selinux) (-split-usr) -sysusers -test -ukify" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_12 -python3_10 -python3_11" 0 KiB
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I have the same issue. I don't know if it's correct or not
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:44 am Post subject: |
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rzdndr
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The openrc system is using some of the systemd utilities, is that what it is? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:24 am Post subject: |
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It provides some files from systemd project which can be used without running systemd as init. | Code: | $ qlist systemd-utils | fgrep bin
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... So mainly tmpfiles daemon and udev daemon.
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rzdndr
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| pjp wrote: | | https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2022-04-19-systemd-utils.html |
From what I understand this is an OpenRC dependency, for the time being. And this might be replaced by another package in the future.
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From where did you come to that understanding? Of course any package could be replaced by another in the future.
The point of posting the news announcement was to show it's age (2022) and to clarify that it isn't "systemd" proper.
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rzdndr
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| pjp wrote: | From where did you come to that understanding? Of course any package could be replaced by another in the future.
The point of posting the news announcement was to show it's age (2022) and to clarify that it isn't "systemd" proper. |
Thank you very much for the clarification.
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rzdndr
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Maybe the name of the package could be changed, without having the systemd string in it. Just an idea. The name is the reason that confused me.
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| We're then hiding the truth from people and obscuring where the code comes from. Can't really win. The description for the package does try to explain it too. |
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rzdndr
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| sam_ wrote: | | We're then hiding the truth from people and obscuring where the code comes from. Can't really win. The description for the package does try to explain it too. |
Sure. Was just a thought/idea.
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lars_the_bear
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| sam_ wrote: | | We're then hiding the truth from people and obscuring where the code comes from. Can't really win. The description for the package does try to explain it too. |
I suppose the only way to win is for somebody to step up and create a new udevd, completely compatible with the existing version, but unrelated to systemd, and maintain it indefinitely. Or, perhaps, to resurrect eudevd, on the same terms. I'm guessing there won't be many volunteers, until a time comes when the systemd version of udevd becomes impossible to use without the rest of systemd.
But maybe somebody out there hates systemd with enough passion to take on this job?  I guess that really would be a labour of love, though, so long as the systemd version continues to behave itself.
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| lars_the_bear, this is entering Gentoo Chat territory. The question of this support thread was answered sufficiently. Please don't leak discussions from other threads into support forum threads; keep them where they are. |
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