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ian.au
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| Gatsby wrote: | | NeddySeagoon wrote: | | I expect abnormality to return before spring 2025. |
Get well soon Neddy! |
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logrusx
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | It almost seems as if Linux (via systemd) is trying to abandon the embedded market. |
It's not Linux. It's RedHat who is pushing their agenda and does not give a crap about embedded market.
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pjp
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Non-RH developers seem willing to go along. At least I presume that more than only RH developers are involved.
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logrusx
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | Non-RH developers seem willing to go along. At least I presume that more than only RH developers are involved. |
Imagine this: you're a volunteer developer who has to go against decisions made by someone who has been payed. What are your options?
You're also not concerned about embedded systems, but the software you're working on is still good for it.
Now imagine this: you're the embedded developer who used to use that software. What are your options?
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pjp
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| logrusx wrote: | Imagine this: you're a volunteer developer who has to go against decisions made by someone who has been payed. What are your options?
You're also not concerned about embedded systems, but the software you're working on is still good for it.
Now imagine this: you're the embedded developer who used to use that software. What are your options? |
You obviously have answers to those questions, and they likely differ from mine.
A. If I'm the project lead, I'd accept reasonable patches to support their needs as an option. If they are the poject lead, or the lead excludes alternatives, I move on, possibly maintaining a fork / patches.
B. That's obviously not the case or we wouldn't be having the discussion. Elaborating would be, I'll say "out of scope."
C. You've implied the developer has stopped using the software, so I presume said developer has a solution. Patch, it, fork it, write something new, retire after beating the House in Las Vegas?
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ian.au
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| Hu wrote: | split-usr versus merged-usr is not about whether /usr is a separate filesystem from /. That distinction is about separate /usr, which the systemd project declared broken years ago. More recently, the systemd project has been pushing merged-usr, where /bin, /sbin, etc. are symlinks into /usr. To further confuse the issue, the systemd wiki page cited in the Gentoo news ( https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ ) now talks about their work pushing merged-usr in Fedora, which I don't think it did when last I read it.
You could argue that merged-usr is more future-proof, since systemd now requires merged-usr, and I have already seen various packages that break on split-usr because of bad assumptions by their authors. It seems plausible that such breaks will continue to appear, and at some point, the maintainers may tire of cleaning up the resulting mess, and declare split-usr unsupported even on non-systemd systems. I have not seen a timeline for such a thing to occur, though. |
Hm I actually wrote a response to this yesterday, no idea where that's gone .. but I was actually in the office yesterday cooking a kernel and actually had a look at what I did six months ago here, and it turned out to be:
| Code: | gw-01 /usr/src/linux # eselect profile show
Current /etc/portage/make.profile symlink:
default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/no-multilib |
So I'm not sure why I thought my takeaway from the news item was that merged-usr was probably the way to go, but I obviously decided it could wait...  |
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I'm still here... I'm just busy with my business (which runs entirely on Gentoo*, with my staff knowing very little about tech) and don't have nearly as much time to dedicate to tinkering like I used to.
I stayed active on otw20 while it was up... I miss the old gang. The gentoo forums feel very stodgy to me these days.
* openrc and split-usr, with me prepared to fork if I need to
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| saellaven wrote: | | I stayed active on otw20 while it was up... I miss the old gang. |
We miss you too.
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NeglectedRudderPug
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: How's everyone doing? |
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Welcome back!
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Thanks! asturm
For all the time it takes to compile, I find myself always returning to Gentoo. |
Still loving my Gentoo.  I have many favourite things, most recently I noticed you can literally add a huge component like say, SELinux - installing it fully - decide you're not happy with it, and just rip it right back out[1] - cleanly like it was never there to begin with, without a dependency hell. That is just awesome. Most other distros would crap themselves if you tried this.
I just love gentoo so much, it's kind of embarrassing. But, gentoo did bring back my enthusiasm for tinkering in Linux.
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unless if you take way too long to update.
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I was actually really worried about this, I'm not so much anymore. Just as Plasma 6 was landing in Gentoo (stable) I had a big project I needed to finish, so much so that I couldn't afford anything to break while working on it. To avoid potential issues with the Plasma 5 to Plasma 6 upgrade I decided to simply not update, so my gentoo went just over a month without updates. There were a couple of minor bumps updating, but nothing serious - it was mostly just 'Oh, that wants to compile before that.', and fix my own custom patches kind of things - but other than that, it's updated, happy and Plasma 6 is working fine.
I've been on Gentoo over a year now and can honestly say: I love this thing.
[1] I made all the policies, etc. But SDDM always stalls on a black screen as soon as I booted with enforcing (permissive worked fine), and wouldn't let me get to TTY either, with no reason listed in audit log. I gave it a few tries, tried to make my own application policy for sddm entirely and then that ended up conflicting with the xserver policy and meh... just too much so gave up. The fact gentoo just lets you rip it right back out is awesome. Going to throw apparmor in next and see what that does. |
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brendlefly62
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Welcome back.
Profile 23 migration was smooth.
I use custom initramfs, even w arm64 boards -- feels like I'm swimming against the current though, with install-kernel and dracut ganging up in the min line |
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