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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:47 am    Post subject: ebuild failing for ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330 [Solved] Reply with quote

My @world upgrade is failing on 1 package, ncurses-compat.

I'm trying to upgrade my profile from 17.1 to 23.0 (yes, I didn't upgrade for months and only saw the requirement in the last few days!), and as part of that I'm trying to make sure I'm up-to-date on 17.1.

But in emerging it can't build 1 package, ncurses-compat, so I did a
Code:
--exclude sys-libs/ncurses-compat
to bypass that one package and get everything else built. So now when I do an @world there are just 2 packages needing ebuilds:

Code:

Compuer ~ # emerge --ask --verbose  --update --deep --changed-use @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
Dependency resolution took 16.72 s (backtrack: 0/20).

[ebuild     U  ] sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330:5::gentoo [6.4_p20230401:5::gentoo] USE="stack-realign (tinfo) unicode -gpm -verify-sig" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 63 KiB
[ebuild     U  ] app-emulation/qemu-8.2.3::gentoo [8.1.5::gentoo] USE="aio bzip2 curl fdt filecaps gnutls jpeg ncurses nls oss pam pin-upstream-blobs png seccomp slirp vhost-net vnc xattr -accessibility -alsa -bpf -capstone -debug -doc -fuse -glusterfs -gtk -infiniband -io-uring -iscsi -jack -jemalloc -keyutils -lzo -multipath -nfs -numa -opengl -pipewire -plugins -pulseaudio -python -rbd -sasl -sdl -sdl-image (-selinux) -smartcard -snappy -spice -ssh -static-user -systemtap -test -udev -usb -usbredir -vde -virgl -virtfs -vte -xen -zstd" PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_12* -python3_10 -python3_11*" QEMU_SOFTMMU_TARGETS="x86_64 -aarch64 -alpha -arm -avr -cris -hppa -i386 -loongarch64 -m68k -microblaze -microblazeel -mips -mips64 -mips64el -mipsel -nios2 -or1k -ppc -ppc64 -riscv32 -riscv64 -rx -s390x -sh4 -sh4eb -sparc -sparc64 -tricore -xtensa -xtensaeb" QEMU_USER_TARGETS="-aarch64 -aarch64_be -alpha -arm -armeb -cris -hexagon -hppa -i386 -loongarch64 -m68k -microblaze -microblazeel -mips -mips64 -mips64el -mipsel -mipsn32 -mipsn32el -nios2 -or1k -ppc -ppc64 -ppc64le -riscv32 -riscv64 -s390x -sh4 -sh4eb -sparc -sparc32plus -sparc64 -x86_64 -xtensa -xtensaeb" 127,058 KiB

Total: 2 packages (2 upgrades), Size of downloads: 127,120 KiB

WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency conflict:

sys-process/procps:0

  (sys-process/procps-4.0.4-r1:0/0-ng::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="kill ncurses nls (unicode) -elogind -modern-top (-selinux) -static-libs -systemd -test" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" conflicts with
    sys-process/procps:0/8= required by (sys-apps/cpu-x-4.5.2:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="cpu gpu gui ncurses nls pci userland_GNU -force-libstatgrab -opencl -test" ABI_X86="(64)"


When I accept, ncurses-compat get's errors in downloading the package, lot's of 'permission denieds' and 'file not founds'

Code:

>>> Emerging (1 of 2) sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330::gentoo
 * Fetching files in the background.
 * To view fetch progress, run in another terminal:
 * tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log
 * ncurses-6.4.tar.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                                                                                                                     [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230107.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                                                                                                          [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230114.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...   
... <some stuff cut out for brevity> ...
 * ncurses-6.4-20240323.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                                                                                                          [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20240330.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                                                                                                          [ ok ]
>>> Downloading 'ftp://ftp.swin.edu.au/gentoo/distfiles/e9/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'
pathconf: Permission denied
--2024-09-18 17:29:09--  ftp://ftp.swin.edu.au/gentoo/distfiles/e9/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz
           => ‘/usr/portage/distfiles/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz.__download__’
Resolving ftp.swin.edu.au... 136.186.1.76
Connecting to ftp.swin.edu.au|136.186.1.76|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /gentoo/distfiles/e9 ... done.
==> SIZE ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz ... done.

==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz ...
No such file ‘ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz’.

>>> Downloading 'http://ftp.swin.edu.au/gentoo/distfiles/e9/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'
--2024-09-18 17:29:10--  http://ftp.swin.edu.au/gentoo/distfiles/e9/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz
Resolving ftp.swin.edu.au... 136.186.1.76
Connecting to ftp.swin.edu.au|136.186.1.76|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2024-09-18 17:29:10 ERROR 404: Not Found.

>>> Downloading 'ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/layout.conf'
pathconf: Permission denied
--2024-09-18 17:29:10--  ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/layout.conf
           => ‘/usr/portage/distfiles/.layout.conf.ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu.__download__’
Resolving ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu... 128.61.111.9, 128.61.111.7, 128.61.111.11
Connecting to ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu|128.61.111.9|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /pub/gentoo/distfiles ...
No such directory ‘pub/gentoo/distfiles’.

!!! Couldn't download '.layout.conf.ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu'. Aborting.
>>> Downloading 'ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'
pathconf: Permission denied
--2024-09-18 17:29:12--  ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz
           => ‘/usr/portage/distfiles/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz.__download__’
Resolving ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu... 128.61.111.9, 128.61.111.7, 128.61.111.11
Connecting to ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu|128.61.111.9|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /pub/gentoo/distfiles ...
No such directory ‘pub/gentoo/distfiles’.

>>> Downloading 'rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo/distfiles/layout.conf'
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

GEORGIA TECH SOFTWARE LIBRARY

... <some stuff cut out for brevity> ...

@ERROR: access denied to gentoo from 106-69-210-64.dyn.iinet.net.au (106.69.210.64)
rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1850) [Receiver=3.3.0]
No digest file available and download failed.

!!! Couldn't download '.layout.conf.rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu'. Aborting.
>>> Downloading 'rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo/distfiles/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

GEORGIA TECH SOFTWARE LIBRARY

... <some stuff cut out for brevity> ...

@ERROR: access denied to gentoo from 106-69-210-64.dyn.iinet.net.au (106.69.210.64)
rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1850) [Receiver=3.3.0]
>>> Downloading 'https://dev.gentoo.org/~sam/distfiles/sys-libs/ncurses-compat/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'
--2024-09-18 17:29:18--  https://dev.gentoo.org/~sam/distfiles/sys-libs/ncurses-compat/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz
Resolving dev.gentoo.org... 140.211.166.183
Connecting to dev.gentoo.org|140.211.166.183|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2024-09-18 17:29:19 ERROR 404: Not Found.

!!! Couldn't download 'ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz'. Aborting.

>>> Failed to emerge sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330, Log file:

>>>  '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330/temp/build.log'


On navigating in a browser to one of the sources, https://dev.gentoo.org/~sam/distfiles/sys-libs/ , there is no ncurses-compat directory so no ncurses-compat/ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz file to download. There is an ncurses directory however, and it does contain a file called ncurses-6.4_p20240330-patches.tar.xz. Is that the same file the ebuild is expecting to find in ncurses-compat ? So could I manually download it to my /usr/portage/distfiles and re-run the ebuild?

Or could I just skip this entirely and move to the 23.0 profile anyway?


Last edited by eldakka on Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I think that the mirrors you are using are outdated.
You may try to change your mirrors in make.conf.
Here I do not have any problem fetching the source files for this package :
Code:

# emerge -avf1 sys-libs/ncurses-compat

These are the packages that would be fetched, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
Dependency resolution took 29.43 s (backtrack: 0/20).

[ebuild  N     ] sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330:5::gentoo  USE="stack-realign (tinfo) unicode -gpm -verify-sig" ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)" 63 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 63 KiB

Would you like to fetch the source files for these packages? [Yes/No]

>>> Fetching (1 of 1) sys-libs/ncurses-compat-6.4_p20240330::gentoo
 * ncurses-6.4.tar.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                                    [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230107.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230114.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230121.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230128.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230211.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230218.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230225.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230311.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230401.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230408.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230415.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230418.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230423.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230424.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230429.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230506.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230514.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230520.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230527.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230603.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230610.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230615.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230617.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230624.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230625.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230701.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230708.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230715.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230722.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230729.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230805.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230812.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230819.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230826.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230902.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230909.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230917.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230918.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20230923.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231001.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231007.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231014.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231016.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231021.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231028.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231104.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231111.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231118.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231121.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231125.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231202.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231209.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231217.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231223.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20231230.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20240106.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
 * ncurses-6.4-20240113.patch.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                                                                         [ ok ]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try
Code:

emerge --deselect =sys-apps/cpu-x-4.5.2
emerge -av cpu-x ##if you really need it
emerge -a --depclean


It will likely unmerge ncurses-compat
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both for your suggestions.

I went with @netfab's suggestion of updating the MIRRORs list.

I had to do research on how to update it and what to update it to, but once I had the keywords to search for updating the mirros it all fell into place.

After updating to use a mirror in my region, the ebuild was successful.

Thank you, I appreciate the help.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldakka wrote:
I went with @netfab's suggestion of updating the MIRRORs list.

You should still consider what alamahant has said.

Your installed version of cpu-x, which has been removed from the repository, is denying the upgrade of sys-process/procps.
This is still a concern and will block updates either now or in the near future.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grknight wrote:
eldakka wrote:
I went with @netfab's suggestion of updating the MIRRORs list.

You should still consider what alamahant has said.

Your installed version of cpu-x, which has been removed from the repository, is denying the upgrade of sys-process/procps.
This is still a concern and will block updates either now or in the near future.


Ah, thanks, I was so fixated on the ncurses-compat issue that I didn't notice the sys-process/procps issue.

I've followed alamahant's advice and did another emerge @world, and it did the procps upgrade. Now there's no work to do when I try another emerge @world, so looks all upgraded now.

Thanks for everyone's help.
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