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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:34 pm    Post subject: ssh -Y stopped working after reboot Reply with quote

I have a dual NIC machine I use as an internal firewall. It doesn't get rebooted often, but the other day a power failure alerted me to the fact that the last time I worked on its hardware, I plugged it into a non-battery backed up outlet (my dumb mistake), so the power failure rebooted it. After that, I can no longer forward DISPLAY with ssh -Y root@machine when I log into that machine from another machine. It worked up till the reboot.

I assume that somewhere between that reboot and the previous one (months ago) a routine update clobbered something and caused this annoyance. I checked the /etc/ssh/ files to make sure X11 forwarding was enabled. Since I do log in as root (there are no other usernames on that machine), I suspect something changed to make logging in as root an issue.

Any ideas on what it might be and how to fix this?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: ssh -Y stopped working after reboot Reply with quote

Moriah wrote:
I have a dual NIC machine I use as an internal firewall. It doesn't get rebooted often, but the other day a power failure alerted me to the fact that the last time I worked on its hardware, I plugged it into a non-battery backed up outlet (my dumb mistake), so the power failure rebooted it. After that, I can no longer forward DISPLAY with ssh -Y root@machine when I log into that machine from another machine. It worked up till the reboot.

I assume that somewhere between that reboot and the previous one (months ago) a routine update clobbered something and caused this annoyance. I checked the /etc/ssh/ files to make sure X11 forwarding was enabled. Since I do log in as root (there are no other usernames on that machine), I suspect something changed to make logging in as root an issue.

Any ideas on what it might be and how to fix this?



You did not reboot into wayland by chance ?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about when you use -v, does it produce anything notable? You can try an additional 2 v's (-vv and -vvv), but the output can sometimes be excessive if fewer v's work.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the -v to get a debug trace. For some weird reason, xauth was missing on the machine I was loggfing into. I emerged x11-apps/xauth and now it works! :D
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps xauth had been present as a dependency, some other update removed that requirement, and a later emerge --depclean removed xauth. Portage would have told you that xauth was on the list to remove, but you could have missed it.

You could check /var/log/emerge.log to see when xauth was removed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's probably what happened. So why isn't xauth on the dependency list for ssh/sshd ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is an interesting question. My first guess would be that it isn't an upstream dependency, so it hasn't been made one for Gentoo.

From openssh build output:
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LOG: postinst
Install additional packages for optional runtime features:
  x11-apps/xauth for x11 forwarding

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssh and sshd both work fine without xauth installed, for users who choose not to use X11 forwarding. For me, I do not use X11 forwarding over a WAN link, because most X11 programs are too slow to use well in that mode. (Using them over a LAN is fine.) Therefore, I need not install xauth on systems that I will only ever access over a WAN. In my opinion, it is correct that users are not forced to install xauth, and are instead given a pointed hint that it needs to be manually installed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have X11 installed?
You have x11-apps/xauth installed! (if system is up to date).

Here's
Code:
equery d  x11-apps/xauth
app-emacs/xelb-0.20-r1 (x11-apps/xauth)
x11-apps/xinit-1.4.2 (x11-apps/xauth)
                     (x11-apps/xauth)
x11-base/xorg-server-21.1.13-r1 (>=x11-apps/xauth-1.0.3)
                                (>=x11-apps/xauth-1.0.3)
unconditionally, unless system is tweaked, perhaps with /etc/portage/profile/package.provided(untested)
Code:
qlop -u
or
Code:
genlop -u
may help for uninstall history when installed.

Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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