Lxqt now depends on wayland :-( Alternatives?

pa4wdh · l33t Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 886

Hi All,

For quite some years i've been using lxqt which was a logical successor to lxde i used before that. My last sync came with the unpleasant surprise that lxqt now depend on some kde components, and they seem to have a hard dependencies on qt6 with the wayland flag set. Since i want X11 and not wayland this end my lxqt use.

The big question is: What do i use instead? I hope you can advice me

What i want/need from a "desktop" is very minimal:
- No icons or junk on the background (i'm using xplanet for a fancy backdrop), i do want my application menu when i right-click my desktop
- I like a two-panel setup, one on the top with the application meny, some icons for often used applications, desktop switcher and some basic things like calendar, date/time, cpu load graph, etc.. The second one only has a window-list (as lxqt calls it) and a keyboard layout switch
- Making madia keys on a keyboard work also seems to be a desktop function these days, having that would be a nice-to-have

For the rest, it needs to be small, quick, without any 3d stuff effects, without any window manager (i'm using openbox), file manager (don't need those, i'll use a terminal), or a terminal which comes with the desktop (i'm using sakura).

Do you have any suggestions?
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asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9283

There is no impact on your X11 runtime experience whatsoever.

pa4wdh · l33t Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 886

I think this might actually be an ebuild bug. The lxqt release notes still note wayland as experimental, which i think should mean it should be completely removable. But it's not lxqt itself, some kde parts get pulled in, for example:

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9283

Can you stipulate clearly why you care about LXQt dependencies when they contain "kde" in their category more than if it was another library? Or do you want to have LXQt developers do everything on their own, therefore duplicating efforts already done elsewhere, what is otherwise called NIH syndrome? Especially, as LXQt is Qt-based, it would seem to be making a lot of sense to make use of Qt-extending frameworks that just so happen to be developed by KDE.

What damage, you think, is done if there are Wayland related dependencies installed on your system? Is it so bad that you wouldn't even try out the latest version of LXQt and see if it works for you, even if still just using an X11 LXQt session?

pa4wdh · l33t Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 886

I care for that because i want a desktop that is minimal, fast and lightweight, all those words disappear when KDE gets involved. Which is also demonstrated here, pulling in wayland dependencies while i'm not using wayland. During the previous update i could hold it back by disabling the "desktop-portal", but now it's even unconditional for basic components like the panel.

Sure, LXQt developers may make any decision they want, and as long as i'm not personally involved in their project there's no way i can hold them back. Since i'm not willing to invest that effort, i'm opting for the other option: Search for an alternative, and that's what's this topic is about.

Thanks for challenging my assumptions, but this gives me an indication of where they are heading with the project, and even with the tiny bits i can see now i don't like it.
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