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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:05 am    Post subject: lxde o lxqt ? Reply with quote

ciao,
un consiglio su quale ambiente minimale grafico installare:

- lxde (utilizzando "unmasking")

o

- lxqt che mi dice:

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!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/libcanberra" has unmet requirements.
- media-libs/libcanberra-0.30-r7::gentoo USE="gtk3 sound udev -alsa -gnome -gstreamer -gtk2 -oss -pulseaudio -tdb" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"

The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
udev? ( alsa )

(dependency required by "kde-frameworks/knotifications-6.7.0::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "kde-plasma/systemsettings-6.2.4::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "lxqt-base/lxqt-meta-2.0.0::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "lxqt-base/lxqt-meta" [argument])
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: lxde o lxqt ? Reply with quote

sacarde wrote:
ciao,
- lxde (utilizzando "unmasking")

intendi che hai usato l'opzione--autounmask-write di emerge?
se sì, è uno dei modi di fare.
puoi capire il senso di questa opzione leggendo l'output del comando man emerge.

in genere le use flag sono strumenti che permettono di personalizzare l'installazione locali dei singoli pacchetti.
a volte la scelta delle use flag è condizionata dallo stato del proprio sistema locale, cioè dalle use flag degli altri pacchetti già installati.
cerca di riferirti il più possibile alla documentazione originale, quando desideri approfondire un concetto.
in particolare, per l'installazione, usa il manuale.

come consiglio di scelta, ti direi di installare entrambi gli ambienti grafici e fare le tue prove.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

avevo letto che LXDE non viene piu sviluppato e usando unmask il sistema perde stabilita'

invece viene sviluppato LXQT

a me interessa che sia di facile installazione (e prediligo i pacchetti binari)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LXDE è nato come amiente grafico basato su gtk+ ma lo sviluppatore era poco soddisfatto di queste librerie grafiche.
Lo stesso sviluppatore ha iniziato a riscrivere l'ambiente grafico con le librerie Qt (LXDE-Qt) per poi fondersi con il progetto Razor-Qt e creare LXQt (fonte wikipedia).
Sapendo questo direi che LXQt sia la scelta migliore dal mio punto di vista, se invece vuoi un ambiente grafico basato GTK prendere in considerazione Xfce.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: lxde o lxqt ? Reply with quote

ok, vada per lxqt,,,

come installo libcanberra?

(USE mi dice di installare gtk3 e gtk2 ?)

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!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/libcanberra" has unmet requirements.
- media-libs/libcanberra-0.30-r7::gentoo USE="gtk3 sound udev -alsa -gnome -gstreamer -gtk2 -oss -pulseaudio -tdb" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"

The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
udev? ( alsa )

(dependency required by "kde-frameworks/knotifications-6.7.0::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "kde-plasma/systemsettings-6.2.4::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "lxqt-base/lxqt-meta-2.0.0::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "lxqt-base/lxqt-meta" [argument])
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dovresti abilitare la use flag alsa, ma se hai impostato un profilo desktop dovrebbe essere abilitata.
A tal proposito potresti postare il tuo emerge --info?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emerge --info
Portage 3.0.66.1 (python 3.12.7-final-0, default/linux/amd64/23.0/systemd, gcc-14, glibc-2.40-r5, 6.6.62-gentoo-dist x86_64)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Se vuoi un'intefaccia grafica sarebbe meglio selezionare il profilo default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/systemd così che abiliti le use flag corrette.
Per cambiare profilo leggi la guida sul wiki.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

per ora uso fluxbox in attesa di leggere i tuoi consigli...

grazie




p.s.
ho modificato profilo,ho aggiornato... mi sta aggiornando/installando 139 pacchetti... e' corretto?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sacarde wrote:
ho modificato profilo,ho aggiornato... mi sta aggiornando/installando 139 pacchetti... e' corretto?

È sicuramente verosimile, i pacchetti diretti di lxqt sono 21 con le loro dipendenze può starci che siano 139.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

139 erano solo dopo aver modificato il profilo...

per installare lxqt mene richiede altri 221


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anche così è normale prima avevi un profilo che non installava nulla che aveva a che fare con un ambiente grafico ed è per questo che avevi il problema a installare alcuni pacchetti (vedi libcanberra).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, installazione e' andata avanti, e si e' conclusa...

devo dire che lxqt e' molto carino



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Con LXQt puoi usare (prima o poi) anche Wayland.

Mi sa che parte di LXDE usa ancora GTK2.
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