bye gentoo ...

derfalke · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:08 pm Post subject: bye gentoo ...

that's it.

Thanks to all answering so many questions i did not ask ;-)
I helped me to install the desktop-System very much.

But after 4 Days and 5 Nights I'm sooooo far away from printing, looking TV or
scanning. My HP1000 is barely supported, my PVR 250 need's an 2 week installation...

this world is sooooooo bad... and after that install-orgy I'm ready for my Doc.

I'm really sorry - the systems looks sooo good... but I need my printer and my
tv....

well buddies - I takes 1 hour to get all that stuff to work under W2K....

maybe bad hardware just needs bad software ;-)

bye

northern · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject:

Dude, have you actually asked for any help with your problems ?

Many folk on here have used many variants of linux and most would have to admit that the support you can get on this forum is top notch.

If your having printer / scanner problems then ask away, also try searching eg
"scanner AND my_particular_make" may turn up results.

Linux is like learning a new language when comparing it to windows, it's not easy but all the info anyone needs is available, and it is so much more rewarding personally to make things work under linux than it is in windows.

I can't get sound to work in starcraft for example, but I know I will soon, and even if it takes me a month I wont get rid of Gentoo and install windows to make it work.

But it's a free world and it's nearly Christmas, so go for what you really want :wink:

neenee · Veteran Joined: 20 Jul 2003 Posts: 1786

well, good luck with windows, though perhaps it's
an option to multi-boot, get everything working
with linux, and then switch. no need to sacrifice
time needed to get things done while getting to
grips with linux.

and indeed, a merry christmas :wink:

irf2003 · Veteran Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 1078

don't give up, try again, if it's any consolation to you, even seasoned linux users of other distros don't get gentoo installed on their first attempt.
read the the docs, and peruse the forums, they are a great resource. Without bashing , Gentoo is surprisingly easier to use and maintain in the long run then some called "friendlier distros" once you get through the hurdle of the initial installation. If you do it once, it becomes second nature to you, and subsequant ones will only be bottlenecked by the the cpu (i.e. the time to compile stuff).
believe me, perseverence pays
HTH

derfalke · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:24 pm Post subject:

Hi Folks,

somehow I knew the Windows-Part would cause some reactions ;-)))

Anyway... I have dual-boot, so I can use all my stuff under Win and
still try to get gentoo further ...

I'm not that new to linux .. I run some Webservers .. and folks, I will
never use anythiong else but Linux for non-desktops systems.

But That Desktop-Stuff is really a pain !

northern : that was not Ironic. I meant it that way when I thanked
everyone here. I didn't ask myself because I found what I've been looking
for. This Forum is great. The matter was WHAT I found ;-)

e.g. :
My Printer is a HP LaserJet 1000 connected via USB. I allready saw it
in my logs when i plugged it in - but it does not react to any attempts.
I know about the firmware-trouble, I've tried it ..and so on.
Yes - I know I can get it to work. But somehow I have the feeling that I
spend more time getting that stuff to work than to do my real work !

You know what I mean ?

Sure, I could just try it with Suse and most of my Problems might
be solved ... but in that case I can stay with Win ;-)))

Sorry for all that complaining - I just needed to shout it out !

Maybe one night in my bed instead in front of my PC will be enought to
get me back to my gentoo tomorrow ;-))))

Marry X-Mas to anyone here !

Adam

northern · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:31 pm Post subject:

Hee I wasnt having a dig mate. I think USB is still quite immature in Linux at the moment so Im not surprised your having problems, I have to use the gf's winblows pc to download mp3's to my errm mp3 player

, but sooner or later I'll get it working with Gentoo (but maybe not with this mp3 player :roll:

)

And yes, I do know what you mean :wink:

Linux can be a pain sometimes, but so can women but Im not gonna start duel booting on that one .... :lol:

genblood · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:35 pm Post subject:

The Gentoo distro is harder to install then must others. I tried a few
distros like Redhat , Mandrake and Suse. They where easier to install
but, it wasn't what I was looking for. I read a few web sites that posted
info about Gentoo. So, I read up on it and then download the livecd.
My first 4 tries at loading the LiveCD... went bad. I read the docs more
closely and figured out where I made my errors. It took me after 2
weeks to get the system config'd the way I wanted it. I learned alot in the
process of configuring the Gentoo box.

I still prefer to us WinXP, but I spend some of my free time on my
Gentoo box every day. I've always used windows based PCs for
the last 10+ years at work and home. I've also used Sun WSs too.

The bottom line, Gentoo is good distro. It's different then most and
it will force you to think during the install process. When you do get
your Gentoo box up and running. You will learn alot about how linux
works and why when you are do ...

So, you might think about giving it a second try... maybe not as your
primary system. You can always use a older PC or if you have a friend
that has a spare parts. You can always throught something together
and give Gentoo another try ... LATER

hybrid

me i am currently installing gentoo, and up to now i can say that this is hard to get it working but, i am very happy since it enabled me to learn stuffs i ignored, and i can say that my problem was harder than yours : i was unable to detect my hard drive on boot up since it is a serial ata with siimage chipset, i didn't throw gentoo away, but i got it working and now i am installing kde, while using Twn (ugly yet functionnal window mannager) and i am not complaining, all i can say now is after using a large amount of OSs and distrib i definely can say that gentoo is great since it enables you to create your own system

good luck with gentoo, and try asking much more !!!

derfalke · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:05 pm Post subject:

Hey northern - dual-boot on women ???
Great Idea !!! ;-)

)))))

Tell me if you find the off-switch ! ;-)

I'm not that sure it's USB. I'm using 2.6 Kernel - and that part seems
to work fine. My USB-Mouse does work very well.
I thing genblood's "LATER" would do it. Maybe next month there
will be more and better patches ... it might be just tooo new.

Having just few, selected Hardware like on my Servers it's lovely
to install gentoo. I takes me usually about 2 hours to get a
LAMP-Gentoo-Server "on Air" - a few minutes more if JBOSS is needed.

But that Video, Printer, Scanner stuff is ... we had it allready ;-)

Greetings,
Adam

hybrid · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:27 pm Post subject:

hello there,
your printer is currently fully supproted by linux to get it working go to http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000
good luck

derfalke · Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:46 am Post subject:

hi

couldn't sleep ... so.. well, now the printer is working ;-)

I opened a new thread on that. Somehow the linuxprinting.org stuff
didn't help. I allready tried it... i had to build the foo-driver new as the explain
on that page...

anyway - strange stuff loading firmware on every system boot to printer....

greetings,
adam

irf2003 · Veteran Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 1078

derfalke, glad your printer problem has been sorted out.
could you, for the benefit of others, who may run into a similar problem such as yours, post a howto at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewforum.php?f=12
?
happy gentooing & Merry Xmas
sorry, I see that you had already done so
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=726171&highlight=#726171
somehow I thought that the thread which you initiated was at linuxprinting.org site (no doubt this must have been wine induced :-) )

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Moved from Installing Gentoo.
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Drewgrange · Guru Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 483 Location: Ohio, US

The PVR-250 does not require a two week installation. It takes about 5 minutes if you're using a v4l2 patched kernel (which I think all recent gentoo-sources versions are).

burzmali · Apprentice Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 238 Location: ca

I have a pvr-350 and got it working with the drivers from here (sans radio): http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/
I don't think 2.6 kernel or 2.8 i2c is working quite right yet, but you should be ok with almost any 2.4 series kernel and ivtv.
Good luck!
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BitJam · Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:08 am Post subject:

derfalke:
I don't think it is fair to be complaining about Gentoo because you are having a hard time getting non-mainstream hardware working under the 2.6 kernel.

Gentoo gives users many options ranging from very-stable to bleeding-edge. But nobody can give you very-stable AND bleeding-edge. If you would prefer easier installs with fewer hassles then back off and use the 2.4 kernels for the next six months or so.

lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

These "boo-hoo I can't make Linux work, so I'll make a thread saying that Windows is easier" posts get on my nerves. If you can't make Linux work, don't use it. I'm sorry it didn't work for you. If you want to hand your wallet to Microsoft, be my guest I won't try to stop you. Linux is in a transition phase right now. I don't think anyone ever envisioned it taking over the desktop market, but thats where its going. Mircosoft has had the advantage, market share and money for many years now.. Linux is just now aproching that stage. For that reason, there is a bit more of a song-and-dance to make hardware work. In my experience there hasn't been any hardware that simply did _not_ work at all in Linux for years. Read the docs, or don't complain. If you don't want to read Docs, then as you said, its faster and easier in Windows. Go use it. Just be sure to install all your patches, run resource hogging Anti-Virus software, run your Spyware remover weekly and of course, get out your wallet.
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FormerSlacker · Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:32 pm Post subject:

I think some people have to just take a step back and not take this post so seriously.

He tried Linux, and it didn't work out for him. Linux is not for everyone, no matter how much the zealots claim it is. The hardware support is not there for the obscure devices (not through its own fault mind you).

Mainstream hardware support is quite good, but most people have at least one or two less common devices, and this is where linux gets messy.

derfalke, I would recomend you get started with Redhat (Fedorah now?) or Mandrake for your first plunge in the Linux world. Gentoo is a bit steep for a first timer :lol:

In the end, use whatever operating system works best for you

irf2003 · Veteran Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 1078

FYI, derfalke, is a veteran linux user, please read the content
of the messages instead of the subject.
He solved his problem, and posted his findings for the
benefit of other Gentoo users. And I would assume that he
is another happy Gentooer, and will no doubt be an asset to the gentoo community
HTH

lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

xrattiracer · n00b Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 30 Location: Spokane, WA

after beating my head against the keyboard for over a week now, i am understanding exactly what this thread was trying to say. for a little history, i have been trying to get a mythbox setup using a pvr-350 vivo card, but it just isnt going to happen using linux im afraid. this is no fault of linux, and i am not bashing it, nor was the original author above. the real problem is the hardware manufacturers refusing to release specs for their hardware under some misguided perception that their "ip" will somehow be abused (i honestly cannot think of how that could happen).
the short of it is, ivtv is a great package, and they have made alot of progress, but its just not there yet for the pvr-350. i suspect that just a little bit of cooperation from happenauge would go a long way here, but apparently they arent interested. the way i see it, they have nothing to loose and everything to gain, and with only a little bit of effort. why dont they listen?
so, to get back to the original subject, i am having to now consider installing windows on this particular machine and use a package such as sage tv or myhttpc (the latter being preferred since it is open source). but indeed, the cost of the software could easily eclipse the cost of all the hardware in the system (almost all of it is recycled from old machines).

shanenin · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject:

I still dual boot. I think of XP as a handy tool. I see no reason to throw it out(in fact it would be stupid). For a while I tried to completely get a way from windows, it made me crazy. I felt this need to make everything work on my linux box right away.

My new attitude towards linux is I am just going to enjoy it. No hurry to make everything work. In the mean time if I can't figure out how to do it with linux, I can boot into windows. Their is no shame in that. I spend 95% of my computer time playing with gentoo

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Corw|n of Amber · Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:15 am Post subject:

There is some hardware that willl just not work in Linux for years. I am using a Tekram DC395U/F/W SCSI card that's only supported since 2.6, and it's four years old.

For media stuff, well, if the support is not there, it will be there at some point anyway. I had troubles with my new sound card (Audigy LS, the only SoundBlaster that's not supported yet) and ended up exchanging it for an older one (SBLive! 5.1 digital) --I don't spend $ on hardware for it not to work (especially when I just bought new, 7.1 speakers).

Well... not really helping here... but since it's become a conversational topic...
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derfalke · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject:

Hi all,

quite funny that thread so far ;-)

Sorry I pushed some Guru's blood-pressure so high - and it all started
because MY Pressure was too high ;-)

Meanwhile I got most stuff working here - beside my TV-Card.
And even getting the "real-time" Webcam Data
in my own Soft is working ;-)

))))))

Well, it's just like these Car-kits. You will get exactly that kind of
car you want to have. But It takes HOURS of time. Bad thing
for people who want to get to theiry jobs ;-)

Anyway - I hope i didn't start the next round ;-)

Greetings from a cold and rainy Hamburg to everyone

Adam

charlieg · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject:

If you're sticking with Gentoo, perhaps you can change the topic of this thread to [Solved] bye gentoo ... [and hello again] as to keep a nice positive tone going in the forums.

:wink:

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