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lucasjb
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 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: Two Things I'd Like To See In Metacity |
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Hi All,
Just a quick two:
1) Can I have edge resistance in Metacity? Against the edge of the screen and/or other windows?
2) Can I have a notification of the the position and size in pixels of my window when I move or resize? Similar to the way the *Boxes do it (ie, a small notification box with geometry and window size appears when moving and resizing).
If so... how?!? If not who do I have to ask, beg, bribe or sleep with to get it happening? Actually... I'm only prepared to ask 
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ecatmur
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:23 am Post subject: |
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1: just hold down the Shift key while moving the titlebar
2: don't think this is an option |
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Cerement
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Havoc Pennington is the one responsible for Metacity ...
... and in his words, "Metacity is a crack-free window manager"
(crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse) |
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Cerement
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| ... although I would like to know what Havoc was smoking when he decided that Metacity theme files should be xml based ... |
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lucasjb
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:27 am Post subject: Havoc's Smoking Habits |
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Hiyas,
Probably crack, you see, he leaves Metacity "Crack-Free" so he's got more for himself *nods*.
1) That's more like edge snapping than edge resistance, but as good as I'm going to get I suppose.
2) Damn, perhaps there's a mouse tracker like the one for KDE that I can use to keep track of window sizes and geometry, not controlled by the WM?
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dfuse
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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(crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse)
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Borderless windows are in Gnome and not a feature of the terminal itself? How do you enable this, I've never encountered or read something like that. I know that it's possible in fluxbox, but in Gnome... Would be really nice for xawtv in not-fullscreen mode.
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... although I would like to know what Havoc was smoking when he decided that Metacity theme files should be xml based ...
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What's wrong with xml?? |
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lucasjb
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: Borderless |
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Hi,
| dfus wrote: | | Borderless windows are in Gnome and not a feature of the terminal itself? |
I think you misunderstood. Borderless is (generally) a function of the window manager and Havoc has said that he's not planning to implement this feature for Metacity (although not in so many words). You can still get a borderless window for some applications by telling X that they aren't to be managed by the WM (XMMS and Gkrellm2 are two common examples), but then the application needs to provide it's own minimize, maximize, resize, etc.
People, I really want to know the geometry and dimensions of my window when moving and resizing  There must be a way, a patch, another application that hooks into the WM?
Anyway, if anyone knows...
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annex
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse) |
Doesn't the option "Select windows when the mouse moves over them" have the same effect as focus-follows-mouse? Or am I just being silly? |
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ecatmur
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Actually (and this is interesting) Metacity provides a resize measure box when the quanta for resizing are not 1×1 e.g. when the window is an xterm or other terminal, gvim, etc., and the window has to be a multiple of the character cell in size (plus a bit).
Thus the code's there, we just need to enable it. |
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ecatmur
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| annex wrote: | | Quote: | | crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse) |
Doesn't the option "Select windows when the mouse moves over them" have the same effect as focus-follows-mouse? Or am I just being silly? |
I think the difference is whether there's a delay, but I could be wrong. Anyway, | Havoc wrote: | Metacity has mouse focus and
autoraise as a compromise, but these features are all confusing for
many users, and cause problems with accessibility, fitt's law, and
so on. |
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MADcow
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| enlightenment has support for both |
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lucasjb
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
| ecatmur wrote: | | Actually (and this is interesting) Metacity provides a resize measure box when the quanta for resizing are not 1×1 e.g. when the window is an xterm or other terminal... |
Yeah I had noticed that, but I thought it might be a function of the application (which doesn't make sense now that I think about it, because it works with any terminal emulator I try). So if it's not terribly difficult to do, perhaps Havoc just doesn't want to? Or just hasn't thought to? Eh...
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lucasjb
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Ah Fabulous!
Thankyou ecatmur! Now I need to learn about portage overlay...
Thanks again,
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lucasjb
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
Thanks again ecatmur.
I don't need too se the window sizes, I just like to know that my windows are a particular size, for example, I'd like my browser window to be 800x600 and my XChat window to be 640x480... I just like having my windows precisely sized. It makes me happy  |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Metacity would be completely crack-free if it didn't have window animations like when you minimize a window. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| johnisevil wrote: | | Metacity would be completely crack-free if it didn't have window animations like when you minimize a window. |
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=113806
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse) |
You can do "focus follows mouse", but you can not disable "click to raise". That means if I want to select text from a window that's underneath the one I want to paste it into, I have to live with the source window popping to the top.
This is irritating, and why I don't care to use Metacity. I prefer Gnome to KDE, but that's only after I replace the WM. Out of the box, if I weren't allowed to change window managers, I'd use KDE. |
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Ricky
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| sgarcia wrote: | | Quote: | | (crack-smoking features include borderless terminal windows and focus-follows-mouse) |
You can do "focus follows mouse", but you can not disable "click to raise". That means if I want to select text from a window that's underneath the one I want to paste it into, I have to live with the source window popping to the top.
This is irritating, and why I don't care to use Metacity. I prefer Gnome to KDE, but that's only after I replace the WM. Out of the box, if I weren't allowed to change window managers, I'd use KDE. |
Actually, that's not true. The latest release of Metacity (much to my annoyance) reversed that. A window will only be raised now if you click on the border. |
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brsett
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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The big change I'm looking for is allowing panels to layer like regular windows, rather than always being on top.
I really would prefer that my window list panel could go under my apps (the starter bar panel I'm not as picky about). |
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