MAC OSX like terminal for linux

metalac · Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:53 pm Post subject: MAC OSX like terminal for linux

Ok since I'm in the mood for posting I guess I could post this question.

I've been using Mac OSX at work for a while and completely fell in love with it's terminal and it's transparecy or should i say opaqueness (run spell check on this). I was wondering if there is anything like that for Linux since all of these "transparent" linux teriminals suck big time compared to MacOSX.

p.s.
apple should maybe switch it to open source

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

I would be curious to find out what the Apple terminal is derived from, or if it is from scratch.

rac · Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2002 9:55 pm Post subject:

Pigeon · Guru Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 307

What exactly does OSX's terminal do different from a transparent Eterm or aterm?

metalac · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:30 am Post subject:

Well Apple acctually calls it opaqueness which i guess reduces the intensity of the background color so that the color of the windows behind can go trough with variying levels. So it can be completely transparent or dimmed or maybe something in between.

The thing that is different is that not just the background (wallpaper) is showed, but all other windows. So if you have terminal open and the browser is open behind it you will be able to see browser trough it. Also when you move it around the screen it's trully transparent. You know how in Linux when you move it it still shows the old image from the old part of screen and only when you set it to the new part of the screen it gets updated, while in Mac the transparent image follows the window.

Pigeon · Guru Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 307

Pigeon · Guru Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 307

And yeah- "opaque" means a solid background, ie, nothing passes through at all. If it lets any of the background through at all, even if it darkens it tremendously, then it's transparent, not opaque. =)

Naan Yaar · Bodhisattva Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 1549

What the poster is referring to seems to be "true" transparency rather than pseudo-transparency as done by aterm and Eterm. The latter just blend in the image in the root window.

Also, opacity = (1.0 - transparency), so either specification is valid to specify blending

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NU-Slacker · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2002 3:59 pm Post subject:

[troll]
Umm...

Naan Yaar · Bodhisattva Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 1549

I must be missing something here

How does tcsh help (even though it is a worthy shell)?

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

rac · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:57 pm Post subject:

wickidpisa · n00b Joined: 21 Jul 2002 Posts: 27

Transparency in OSX is a major resource hog. I remember a friend showing me a developers release of OSX with a feature turned on that showed you what parts of the screen were being redrawn, and if you moved anything transparent over video playback, OSX went beserk and started to redraw the entire screen constantly. It would take major changes in the design of XFree86 to make it possible, and few people think that it is important enough to waste as much time and bloat that it will add to the project. If someone could figure out a way to add it without making X perform as badly as OSX does, I would gladly use the feature, but I doubt that will happen.

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maw · Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 4:50 pm Post subject:

rac · Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:09 pm Post subject:

Now that OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) is out, I can't see any reason why Apple would be angry if I were to mention that Quartz Extreme will be able to move a lot of this work out to the video card, in my understanding.
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metalac · Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:38 pm Post subject:

well i ran the OSX ona G3 500 with no major problems as far as the redrawing stuff goes although I'm sure it's a major resource hog is like most of the "cool" gui stuff that is around today. Just look at WinXP or KDE when it's set to all effects.

fmalabre · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 376 Location: Chicago

dioxmat · Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2002 11:36 am Post subject:

btw, the transparency stuff can be done with Xfree using XdirectFB.
Have a look at http://www.directfb.org/xdirectfb.xml .
there is a [masked] ebuild for it.
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war · n00b Joined: 27 Apr 2002 Posts: 13

Dude, that's GORGEOUS!

I've never been as impressed by translucent XP or OSX shots; that's like the nicest desktop I've ever seen. The MOVIE is translucent!!

Though, seeing it stutter in Real Life is usually enough to kill the infatuation.

So, XdirectFB is actually an XFree86 replacement, or something?

war · n00b Joined: 27 Apr 2002 Posts: 13

A patch, I see...

I've got it installed... How can I make GDM use it automatically?

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kappax · Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Ah.....

Bytal · Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 9:18 pm Post subject: HOW-TO Please

I would love a walkthrough, HOW-TO or at least a pointer to the manuals and pages that I can check for gentoo or regular linux distro installation. TAIA
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