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genzigo
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 Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:16 am Post subject: Why upgrade 2004.0? |
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Ok, I've done my fair share of reading and come to the conclusion that if I'm currently running Gentoo 1.4, then there is no reason that I need to update to 2004.0. I have all the same packages already installed. It's kind of nice knowing that a new release comes out and you don't have to worry about upgrading because you are currently at that release anyways.
Of course then again, I may be wrong in my statements above. Is there a real reason to upgrade to 2004.0 from 1.4...other than the geek factors  |
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Nope, unless you've got a pre-1.4 baselayout installed, upgrading to 2004.0 will only increase nerd status. Gotta love Gentoo 
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You are right.
The emerge -uD world ensures you have the latest.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Will it automaatically update to 2004.0 or would i have to install it to have it? |
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dvc5
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I believe you'd have to re-bootstrap, but somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Nah, you shouldn't have to re-bootstrap, all the packages in the bootstrap as well as any you've installed afterward (including baselayout) get upgraded all the time. As long as you emerge sync && emerge -uD world (people advise against this but be aware that when you emerge a package only that particular package gets entered into your world file. If it pulls in any other packages as dependencies these won't be added. Using the -D flag will ensure that all these packages get upgraded.) fairly regularly then you'll be as up to date as those who started at 2004.
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tatesworld
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I for one have downloaded and will install 2004.0
Yes its possible to emerge -u world from former gentoo etc, but that will take a few days compile time alone and you are likely to get compile errors on certain dodgy ebuilds that would halt the whole thing anyway
much quicker to get 2004.0 i would say. Get the builds specific to your processor and your away |
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Admiral LSD
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Gentoo is a dynamic distro, new packages get released into Portage every day. Most people here would probably have most, if not all, of the packages in the 2004 tree (which is probably already out of date) anyway. If you sync and update regularly you'll only have to upgrade a few packages at a time which will take a whole lot less than re-installing the entire distro from scratch.
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cayenne
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: Where did you get it? |
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| tatesworld wrote: | I for one have downloaded and will install 2004.0
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Where did you find it? I've been to the mirrors, and the directories for the liveCD for the x86 and sparc64 2004.0 releases all show as empty....I can't find them anywhere....
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cummings66
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I started with Gentoo 1.4 and when the 2004.0 was released I wanted to get it. Reading around I found what to do? So I did it and when I did the emerge sync and emerge -uD world no new packages come up, but then I'd been keeping it up to date trying to fix a bug with sendmail hanging and innd dieing. So, it appears to me that I am running the same stuff as 2004.0 except it didn't add the catalyst package nor create the new directory structure for portage.
I'm still not 100% sure I'm running it though because if I was I would think the new portage directory would have been created automatically when I depreciated 1.4.
Anyhow it's running smoothly now and I'm happy with whatever version I happen to have on here. |
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| lozdvc5 wrote: | | Nope, unless you've got a pre-1.4 baselayout installed, upgrading to 2004.0 will only increase nerd status. Gotta love Gentoo |
Actually, I had planned to wipe clean my install and reinstall when 2004.0 is available for the practice! Naturally, there is nothing else to do in the evenings. 
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irf2003
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| Admiral LSD` wrote: | | Nah, you shouldn't have to re-bootstrap, all the packages in the bootstrap as well as any you've installed afterward (including baselayout) get upgraded all the time. As long as you emerge sync && emerge -uD world (people advise against this but be aware that when you emerge a package only that particular package gets entered into your world file. If it pulls in any other packages as dependencies these won't be added. Using the -D flag will ensure that all these packages get upgraded.) fairly regularly then you'll be as up to date as those who started at 2004. |
yeah, but, emerge info will yield
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Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.13p1
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meaning that your base system tool chain is 1.4.x
I may be wrong of course
it is much easier to just do a clean install?
one may use catalyst to build customized stage tar bars
using the 2004.0 base system
please correct me if I am wrong
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| tatesworld wrote: | I for one have downloaded and will install 2004.0
Yes its possible to emerge -u world from former gentoo etc, but that will take a few days compile time alone and you are likely to get compile errors on certain dodgy ebuilds that would halt the whole thing anyway
much quicker to get 2004.0 i would say. Get the builds specific to your processor and your away |
No, it's not one bit quicker. In most cases it will be much slower (and much more time-consuming on your part), because most packages are probably already up-to-date on your system.
The ONLY difference between 1.4 and 2004.0 is the install procedure! Once the system is installed, it gets updated over time (as you run emerge sync and emerge -UD world). You WILL NOT gain anything from wiping your 1.4 installation for a 2004.0 one, the systems will be virtually identical afterwards. It won't even be possible to determine which version you used. Remember: The version numbers are ONLY for the Live-CD.
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Admiral LSD
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I don't think that has any bearing on the actual version of Gentoo you're running. Look here, right at the bottom:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.0/x86/x86-release-notes.xml
| Quote: | Upgrading to Gentoo Linux 2004.0
If you already have a working installation of Gentoo Linux (Version 1.4) there is no need to reinstall. You will automatically get Gentoo 2004.0 if you sync your Portage tree and run emerge --update world. If you still have an installation with a Gentoo 1.2 profile it might make sense -- in some cases -- that you do a new installation.
There is also the possibility to update your system to a 1.4 profile from which you -- as already stated -- can easily get to Gentoo 2004.0. This update includes recompiling of glibc and some essential system packages; it will take a very long time (possibly longer as a complete re-installation) and it might also fail. So if you still have an installation with a Gentoo 1.2 profile, it's your decision whether you update or reinstall. |
2004 is merely an extension of the current 1.4 profile, it doesn't offer anything really new above it. Those currently running an up to date 1.4 install already have most of the 2004 stuff to begin with. It's only those still running 1.2 or lower that are looking down the barrel of a reinstall and I believe that's really only because these profiles use older versions of gcc (2.x) which aren't necessarily compatible with the 3.x versions employed by 1.4 meaning everything would have to be recompiled anyway.
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Cossins
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| Admiral LSD` wrote: | I don't think that has any bearing on the actual version of Gentoo you're running. Look here, right at the bottom:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.0/x86/x86-release-notes.xml
| Quote: | Upgrading to Gentoo Linux 2004.0
If you already have a working installation of Gentoo Linux (Version 1.4) there is no need to reinstall. You will automatically get Gentoo 2004.0 if you sync your Portage tree and run emerge --update world. If you still have an installation with a Gentoo 1.2 profile it might make sense -- in some cases -- that you do a new installation.
There is also the possibility to update your system to a 1.4 profile from which you -- as already stated -- can easily get to Gentoo 2004.0. This update includes recompiling of glibc and some essential system packages; it will take a very long time (possibly longer as a complete re-installation) and it might also fail. So if you still have an installation with a Gentoo 1.2 profile, it's your decision whether you update or reinstall. |
2004 is merely an extension of the current 1.4 profile, it doesn't offer anything really new above it. Those currently running an up to date 1.4 install already have most of the 2004 stuff to begin with. It's only those still running 1.2 or lower that are looking down the barrel of a reinstall and I believe that's really only because these profiles use older versions of gcc (2.x) which aren't necessarily compatible with the 3.x versions employed by 1.4 meaning everything would have to be recompiled anyway. |
To be 100% correct: There is no "2004 stuff" to get... But if your system was installed with 1.2, there are probably some things that have changed in the way that Gentoo is installed since then, impacting the system. There are no such things between 1.4 and 2004.0. AFAIK, it hasn't got anything to do with GCC. Gentoo doesn't really care what version it is, Gentoo essetially is only Portage and the install instructions...
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Cossins, one little question, should one update the
symlink to the profile dir a la 1.2->1.4.x
or should one leave things alone?
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tatesworld
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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maybe so if you regularly do emerge -u world
But I aint done that for a couple of months now
I get error anyway with emerge -u world
for example I do now emerge -u world and what do i get, a comple error on
sys-libs/db-4.1.25_p1-r3 |
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djoi
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
well i downloaded the 2004.0 and used the binary pakets and must say ,
i would better install all again from stage1 or 3 again  .
I found only one (old) 2.4 kernelsources and have alot problems with
Alsa.
The only good thing is the new bootsplash pictures and that progressbar
now works.
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irf2003
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| djoi wrote: | Hi,
well i downloaded the 2004.0 and used the binary pakets and must say ,
i would better install all again from stage1 or 3 again ;).
I found only one (old) 2.4 kernelsources and have alot problems with
Alsa.
The only good thing is the new bootsplash pictures ;) and that progressbar
now works.
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I guess the binary packages are for those who do not
care to do emerge sync, and then emerge -uD world, it's
for those who want a quick and dirty install, and never
update their system until the next iteration of the gentoo
live GRP cd's. Also, another use for the binary packages
is to get a running system in the shortest possible time, after
which it may be updated.
but, if you are a mainstream gentoo user, you will never
bother with binary packages, because sooner or later
you will have to compile them from source.
there are many kernels to choose from, please read the
gentoo handbook. should you have any problems
please search the forum, chances are that a resolution may have been found already, should that not be the case post the specifics of your problem, and I am sure that you will find may
eager gentooers who feel disposed to help. The Gentoo
community is a friendly and accomodating one. if this is
any consolation to you, many a seasoned linux users failed
to install Gentoo after many attempts, so don't despair, if
it fails ask for help and try again, eventually you will sucseed
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irf2003
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| tatesworld wrote: | maybe so if you regularly do emerge -u world
But I aint done that for a couple of months now
I get error anyway with emerge -u world
for example I do now emerge -u world and what do i get, a comple error on
sys-libs/db-4.1.25_p1-r3 |
have you tried
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djoi
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Yes irf2003, your right if you say , that GRP ist for a "quick'n dirty" install
but otherwise its a "quickn dirty" way to get kde 3.2 and gnome 2.4 .
But if you read :
| Quote: | | In addition to many bugfixes and security updates since the 1.4 release, Gentoo Linux 2004.0 contains a cutting-edge development toolchain and user environment including, but not limited to, Linux kernel 2.6.3, GCC 3.3.2, GLIBC 2.3.2, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.1, and xfce4 |
Sorry but the only kernelsources i see on both CDs is linux-2.4.24.
Btw. I couldnt emerge gentoo-sources nor vanilla-sources (i couldnt emerge
any kernelsources ) wo internet-connection and thats bad imho.
But i dont want to discuss it here , maybe i made a failure but after
i emerged arts and unmerged/emerged xmms (sources) again Alsa
works.
bye
PS.: i use Gentoo since ~ 2 years |
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irf2003
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djoi, I do empathize with you, because my internet connectivity sux royally.
If I were the business manager for Gentoo, I would recommend
that they establish some subscribtion product whereby
a snpashot of the whole of the distfiles, and associated shmear is sent to the subscriber on say bi-weekly or monthly
basis, for a very reasonable price of course, so that those
without a fat pipe and a deep pocket (I mean without as far as the deep is concerned) can parttake of the gentoo experience.
I have yet to finish downloading the universal x86 cd1,
and may be done doing so by week's end, if my connectivity doesn't get interrupted, I hope, so I am not sure what is or isn't on the cd as far as the kernel sources are
concerned.
to emerge the 2.6.x kernel, you will need to do the following
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I am not sure whether ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" should
also be specified.
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djoi
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Good luck with your universal x86 iso .
With universal-i686-iso you have to live with Kernel 2.4.24 or to download a newer on.
Thats what i mean , its the same as you begin with stage3
The distfiles arent the best choices i mean, coz if you try to
"emerge vanilla-sources" it begin with vanilla-sources-2.4.25 which isnt on
any CD. (Maybe gs-sources will work but not without internet , coz you need the
patches). So if you dont have internet you lost with the CDs (no kernel (if you dont know
how to emerge older stuff)).
Read on and good luck:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=922922#922922
I prefer more kernel-sources on CDs like before.
God thanks, i saved my old distfiles on another partition.
(i prefer love-sources with 85 Hz Vesa-Framebuffer).
bye
(now my Gentoo rocks again , the new splashscreens was worth the download hehe) |
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