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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already use the Nautilus backgrounds (although those only work if you show the windows in "icon view").

I'm talking about what I only can refer to as the "MDI window" colors.

The color of the menu. The color of all things that change when you choose a different theme in the "window controls" section of the theme details window in the GNOME theme applet.

All of the current GTK Lila themes are white or off-white, with a purple highlight when you move your mouse over a menu item or button. This means the panels are white. The menus are white.

Most GTK themes are like this, with the exception of a few, such as 6nome-sandy, Gorilla (which are pale brown/sand colored) and nuvola (which is some kind of pale cornflower blue). Most all the others use white or pale gray. That's why I was using ThinGeramik (ported), but that was only green/purple because I had customized the colors in KDE before that, and apparently it was reading those settings (which also seems to have broken GTK/gnome themeing, but that's another story). From the screenshots of the homepage for the port, Geramik/ThinGeramik are natively light blue.

I would like violet or pale green for a change, and preferably a bit dark or unsaturated if possible, because all these light menus and panels make my eyes hurt after a while.
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've already uploaded menu highlights in green, blue, and red, and my purple is slitely darker
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you (that should certainly help if I give the red icons a shot).

But what color is the menu itself? (I'm reinstalling gtk atm, and possibly GNOME as well, as something is definitely broken, so I can't check).
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the menu is still that off white f8f8f8
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snooper wrote:
I've uploaded a new metacity theme it's a bite off the ximian metacity theme but the close, restore, maximize, minimize, and menu have been lila fied:-) i'm also working on some new gtk themes as i found you can do beveled, gradient, shadow_in/out menu's and i'm sure so much more:-)

new metacity theme looks quite good, but the buttons need a revision. behind all the button is a circle which has a slightly brighter color.
also the 'minimize' is maybe a bit too dark and the 'maximize/unmaximize' maybe a bit too bright.
btw, the gnome-style 'g' on the applications-menu has that circle of brighter color as well, which looks a bit odd.

i don't know, but i personally would prefer the window titlebar to have a bit a brighter color while active, and a bit a darker color while inactive.
the inactive color is some yellowish now, should have a touch of the lila colors.

while we are at it, we need gnome meta-themes for lila-green/-red/-blue/... as well.
and we should add the lila-yellow icons by smithlx as well to the archive. and corresponding gdm-theme, wallpaper and bootsplash.

Snooper wrote:
like what colors? you know you don't have to use the base white for nautilus there are patterns available green, and purple scanlines thats what i use they are part of the wallapaper package under nautilus just drop them in /usr/share/nautilus/patterns

we should be dropping the nautilus patterns automatically to '/usr/share/nautilus/patterns'. maybe remove them from 'lila-backgrounds' and add them to 'lila-gnome' or so.
what to do with the 'base' directory also contained in 'lila-backgrounds'? what's that good for?
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had actually done the circles on purpuse to act as a button circle i'll make some revisions and take some screen shots with drawing a circle and square and put the icons in the drawn area without the alpha circle behind it. i was kinda looking at that and wondering about it too. i'll also just do it without any border and just the image by itself see what people like. i didn't add the metacity theme to the colors so they would all point to the lila metacity theme and the gtkrc would paint the blue,red,purple etc title, text, bg colors.
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#new snapshot
lila-gnome

extract to your PORTDIR_OVERLAY and run lila-script.
Code:
# ./lila-script digest && ./lila-script emerge


#new ebuilds
lila-splash-0.1 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-splash
//new ebuild. lila splash for gnome.
lila-xmms-0.1 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-xmms
//new ebuild. lila theme for xmms.
lila-backgrounds-0.3.2 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-backgrounds
//nautilus patterns got thrown out as they don't belong here. contains only desktop backgrounds.
lila-grub-0.3 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-grub
//new simple grub splashimages in blue/green/purple/red to hopefully fit the bootsplash themes.
lila-gtk+-0.4.1 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-gtk+
//updated to the new metacity theme by dgt84. contains gnome meta-themes for blue/green/purple/red.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scaba i uploaded icons-alt.tar.bz2 these are an alternative just drop them over the old ones in lila2/metacity-1 and tell me what you think i have black ones also but i have to change the code to use them so this is just a test.

added alt direcs to the file just move those into the metacity direc to test those also.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished installing the new snapshot and switched to the Lila-Blue metatheme, just for a change of pace. Works beautifully for me. Went to the wiki to add the info and I see someone beat me to it :). Excellent work scaba.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

salmo wrote:
Just finished installing the new snapshot and switched to the Lila-Blue metatheme, just for a change of pace. Works beautifully for me. Went to the wiki to add the info and I see someone beat me to it :). Excellent work scaba.

add the info about the snapshots? that was me :D
but even with the snapshots, it would still be a pain to install/update without your script. just added it to the wiki as well.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#new snapshots
lila-gnome
lila-xfce
lila-openbox

extract to your PORTDIR_OVERLAY and run lila-script.
Code:
# ./lila-script digest && ./lila-script emerge

note: there might me ebuilds in the snapshots for packages you don't actually have. you can either delete those directories before running the script (recommended) or just skip the digest/emerge of those ebuilds with 'ctrl-c'.


# new ebuilds
lila-xfwm4 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-xfwm4
//new ebuild. lila themes for xfwm4.
lila-xffm -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-xffm
//new ebuild. lila theme for xffm.
lila-xfce4-panel -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-xfce4-panel
//new ebuild. lila theme for xfce4-panel.
lila-openbox -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-openbox
//new ebuild. lila themes for openbox.
lila-gnome-0.5-r1 -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-gnome
//updated ebuild. removed dep on 'gnome-themes' as 'lila-openbox' & 'lila-xfwm4' depend on 'lila-gnome' and don't need those. make sure you install the 'gnome-themes' manually if you're using gnome. it's not a very clean solution but will do 'til something better has been found.

there might well be some deps set wrongly in the openbox and xfce4 ebuilds. please tell me if you encounter them. 'lila-gnome' is alright as it contains the icons.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#new snapshots
lila-gnome
lila-kde
lila-openbox
lila-xfce

extract to your PORTDIR_OVERLAY and run lila-script.
Code:
# ./lila-script digest && ./lila-script emerge

note: there might me ebuilds in the snapshots for packages you don't actually have. you can either delete those directories before running the script (recommended) or just skip the digest/emerge of those ebuilds with 'ctrl-c'.


# new ebuilds
lila-kde -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-kde
//new ebuild. lila icons for kde.
lila-smilies -- PORTDIR_OVERLAY/x11-themes/lila-smilies
//updated ebuild. lila smilies for gaim. gets copied to the proper place now. fixed a typo in the 'theme' file as well.

btw, how do i get rid of smiley themes once their installed in gaim?
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a few icons at http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~ecatmur/gentoo/lila/

gaim-dialog-info.svg
gnome-dev-mouse-optical.svg
gnome-mime-application-x-desktop.svg
gnome-mime-application-x-dvi.svg
gnome-screenshot.svg* (copy of applets-screenshooter.svg, needed for the 2.6 panel menu item)
liferea.svg
lyx.svg
muine.svg
panel-force-quit.svg
sound-juicer.svg

Is this the right place to put them, or should I go to the wiki as well?

I'm getting to like this...
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, also I thought it'd be an idea to make an ebuild for the fonts so they can be installed by Portage:

http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~ecatmur/gentoo/trees/lila-artwork/media-fonts/lila-fonts/lila-fonts-0.1.ebuild

Problem is one of the websites won't let wget download the font file so you might have to host that one.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need a CVS lol and a repository where all the icons are so that people can just upload edit the changelog and auto package nightly or something
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecatmur wrote:
I have a few icons at http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~ecatmur/gentoo/lila/
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Is this the right place to put them, or should I go to the wiki as well?

I'm getting to like this...


Go to the wiki and put a link next to each listing you're submitting for in the request section. If it's not there feel free to add it.

As for the fonts, do we have redistribution rights? I know they're freeware, but a lot of font authors require permission to redistribute. (beer not speech, blah blah blah).

Oh and on the lila-script: if you're real worried about unintentially emerging themes and their dependencies you can change line 20 from
Code:
      emerge --verbose x11-themes/$i

to
Code:
       emerge --ask --verbose x11-themes/$i

to make it... well you get the point. Still downloads and calculates digests unless you Ctrl-C it of course.

Now off to play with the latest snapshot!
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ray Larabie font (the one that the server won't let wget download) has a fairly liberal license:
Quote:
- Reproduction and Distribution. You may reproduce and distribute an unlimited number of
copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; provided that each copy shall be a true and complete copy,
including all copyright and trademark notices (if applicable) , and shall be accompanied by
a copy of this text file. Copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may not be distributed for profit
either on a standalone basis or included as part of your own product unless by prior
permission of Larabie Fonts.

Looks like it would be OK.
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OK, I've put all my latest ones up on the wiki. Hope you like them; the mouse and the phone were a bitch to draw.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi. is it possible in firefox to make the toolbar icons smaller than the "use small icons" version ?
lila theme for ff is great, but it takes too much space. i use "Bitstream Vera Sans 8" for menus and the icons make the toolbar unnecessarily big.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, it's really late, but I updated lila-script a bit. Now it takes a -v option that prompts before downloading/building the digests or runs emerge with --ask depending on the context. oh and it spits out a usage statement when run wrong.

It's a bit heftier so I'll just point you to
http://clearcreeksupport.com/lila/lila-script

It's still a hack, still kills babies (but asks you first now!), use at your own risk, etc.

@ecatmur: The only issue then would be if you wanted to get your ebuild into portage, since they sell Gentoo on CD (I'm guessing with some sort of portage snapshot). Then again I may be off base again ;). Also permission may be able to be aranged and I don't know if it's considered "for profit" if it's being sold by a non-profit, etc. etc. sidenote: I really hate roll-your-own licenses.

And enough of the legal crap, I really dig your icons. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

salmo wrote:
Ok, it's really late, but I updated lila-script a bit. Now it takes a -v option that prompts before downloading/building the digests or runs emerge with --ask depending on the context. oh and it spits out a usage statement when run wrong.

It's a bit heftier so I'll just point you to
http://clearcreeksupport.com/lila/lila-script

It's still a hack, still kills babies (but asks you first now!), use at your own risk, etc.

i improved your script on a touch, i.e. improved readability by using a new line for each item.
it can be found here and is also linked to in my previous posts.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, lost my thread subscription again... :(

Nice job everyone is doing!

@etcatmur: I like the icons, keep it up :wink:

If this keeps up I'll make some new releases soon :)
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgt84, in your metacity theme (at least i believe it's the metacity theme) text boxes have no border around them, which makes it hard to see sometimes.
have a look at these screenshots, Lila-purple (without borders) and Gorilla (with borders) to know what i mean.
would it be possible to change that? other than that it's a great theme!

oh, and something else. why is it that the icons (in the applications menu) of firefox, thunderbird, xmms and others are still the normal/original ones despite the fact that there are lila icons available?
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scaba wrote:
dgt84, in your metacity theme (at least i believe it's the metacity theme) text boxes have no border around them, which makes it hard to see sometimes.
have a look at these screenshots, Lila-purple (without borders) and Gorilla (with borders) to know what i mean.
would it be possible to change that? other than that it's a great theme!

That's the GTK theme, not the metacity theme. I'm not quite sure why it's doing that, but you seem to be using the thinice engine (lila-simple), right?
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oh, and something else. why is it that the icons (in the applications menu) of firefox, thunderbird, xmms and others are still the normal/original ones despite the fact that there are lila icons available?

I don't know what the proper icon names are. If you could tell me them I can rename them for the next release :)
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firefox needs to be called firefox-icon.svg (like mozilla).
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