The worst performance ever - R350

Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

Hi
I've seen a buch of guys who overruns me with a 2200+ and a FX5200

My system is:
Pentium 4 2.8C M0
512mb Mosel
R9600PRO

And here my performance, if i can call this as performace:
12705 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2541 FPS
11435 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2287 FPS
12467 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2493 FPS
12345 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2469 FPS
12247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2449 FPS
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Plastic · l33t Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 649

Yeah, ATI's drivers suck big time. It really is painful to watch piece of shit nVidia cards (FX 5200) outperform Radeon 9800XT.

Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

But frequently I see guys in 9500s or even 9600s with a great performance like ~4000 FPS in glxgears, I know that glxgears isn't the greatest benchmark, it isn't even a benchmark, but it's enough for me.
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Plastic · l33t Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 649

Well, what drivers are you using. There are 3 ways I know of to get accel. 3D for radeons. The first is emerging ati-drivers, which is ATI's binary pieces of crap. Another way (there's a guide somewhere around these forums) is to use DRM. The third way is to use the FireGL drivers. I really don't know much about those, but again, the forums should have a guide floating around somewhere. Either way, I don't think you'll get the same performance you would with the nVidia equivalent. Better make your next card an nVidia :roll:

(or wait until ATI realizes that there is money to be made in the Linux community and rewrites their drivers).

Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

I've only used ati-drivers till today.
If someone could explain the others ways I'd be glad :wink:

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Wedge_ · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:30 am Post subject:

The other methods aren't going to be much help to you unfortunately. The DRM drivers don't support 3D acceleration on newer Radeons, and the FireGL drivers are the same thing as ATIs binary driver. If you're using the 3.7.6 or 3.7.0 ATI driver, try the 3.2.8 version instead, it may be faster. Also check you haven't turned on FSAA (in your XF86Config, FSAAScale should be "1").
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Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

I'm using 3.7.6
I can't use the 3.2.8 because maaaaaany artifacs show up during Enemy Territory.
So its a ATI problem right? Not my system or my configuration are wrong? But I still see guys with a better performance

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Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

Radeon Owners...
Do you play UT2004 and AA fine? Here, AA is terrible slow, something about 80% slower than windows. UT2004 makes an incredible mark of 10fps. Please, someone knows whats happening?
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mollmerx · n00b Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 41 Location: Cambridge, UK

Hi Blue Fox,

just want to let you know that you are not alone.

My System:

Athlon 2500+ @ 3200+ (2200MHz)
nForce2
Radeon 9600pro
kernel-2.6.4-ck1

my glxgears runs at 2920 FPS.

But, worst of all, UT2004 is unplayably slow.

I have tried ati-drivers-3.2.8 - unfortunately that makes no difference to the performance.

It hurts, but for now I'm unsing windows for gaming. Get exactly double the framerate for UT there.

Cya,
mollmerx

Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

Take a look at rage3d forums... that guys must be THE guys...
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gcasillo · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject:

No question about it, the 3.7.x ati-drivers are the suck. If you can't use 3.2.8, then you're in a world of hurt. I get ~ 4500fps with my Radeon 9700 Pro with ati-driver-3.2.8, but I have been experiencing lockups. Switching from the kernel agpgart to the Radeon's internal agpgart appears to have helped; I played UT2004 last night for a couple hours without lockups.

But it is too late. I picked up a FX5950 last night and am selling my Radeon 9700 Pro as soon as I get the 5950 running. This many people cannot be wrong: nVidia supports Linux much better than ATI. In other words, you'll get more out of an nVidia card with nVidia's drivers than you will with a comparable ATI card with ATI drivers.

And it's too bad. ATI makes great cards, but their Linux drivers squander any performance you might get from them. I gave ATI every opportunity to prove me wrong, but after the ati-drivers-3.7.6 release, I had had enough.

Interestingly, I get ~ 3500fps with a FX5200, a respectable score for that card. And performance in UT2004 is decent:

gcasillo · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject:

For comparison, the UT2004 benchmark for my Radeon 9700 Pro:

Blue Fox · Apprentice Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 216

Oh my....
Why ATI don't support us as it should?
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shadow303 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 101

ATI sucks when it comes to drivers no matter what the operating system. I had plenty of issues under windows with an All In Wonder 128 under windows and eventually decided that I would never buy another ATI card again. Unfortunately, I made an oops while customizing my laptop and didn't notice that the highest video card option was an ATI (the other options were nvidia cards). Now I have an annoying 9600 pro mobility and I have to hard code modelines into my XF86Config (or xorg.conf) or else X doesn't run properly.

Nvidia has put out a few problematic versions, but at least they would get a new version out within a reasonable amount of time.

gcasillo · Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject:

So the FX5950 arrived today. Comparing it to my Radeon 9700 Pro...the Radeon got ~4500fps in glxgears. My FX5950 just posted this: