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Lv
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 Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: xfree is officially DEPRECATED on AMD64!! |
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xfree is broken in numerous ways, including -fPIC errors that prevent things from compiling as well as horrible driver support for newer ATI cards. Due to a bug in portage itself, the xfree 4.3.0-r6 ebuild that fixes a number of these issues (minus driver support) will not be unmasked. xorg-x11 doesn't have any of these issues and is currently marked stable on amd64 as of earlier today, so anyone having problems now has a migration path that will fix any problems they might be seeing.
also, xfree will not be supported on amd64 or included in the next livecd. the GRP will include xorg-x11 instead.
the portage bug holding back the working version of xfree has been open since 2002-03-25 12:30 PST, so i wouldn't get your hopes up about seeing it fixed any time soon. now is a good time to migrate to xorg-x11. and so, here is a mini guide to migrating from xfree to xorg-x11:
1) Back up and package your current xfree install
| Code: | | quickpkg x11-base/xfree |
2) Compile and create a package for xorg-x11
| Code: | | emerge --buildpkgonly --nodeps x11-base/xorg-x11 |
3) Stop xfree and uninstall it
| Code: | | emerge unmerge xfree |
4) Install xorg-x11
| Code: | | emerge --usepkg x11-base/xorg-x11 |
5) Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config so that all font directories point to /usr/share/fonts instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts - this can now be done simply by running etc-update
6) Re-start X and enjoy!
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7) if you were using the GL supplied by xfree and not nvidia, switch to xorg-x11's GL
| Code: | | opengl-update xorg-x11 |
EDIT!
if you use an nvidia, and you dont opengl-update nvidia, then x will not start. this goes for xfree or xorg. the nvidia-glx ebuild does this for you, but after installing xorg it probably did an opengl-update xorg-x11
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: |
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ok, you'll just have to wait and see what we end up with now. because r6 wont be unmasked, it seems that r5 is getting the -fPIC fixes. however, if you are currently running r5 you will have to recompile anyways... so you might as well migrate to xorg-x11.
xfree should still be considered officially deprecated. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 2:42 am Post subject: |
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your up-to-the-minute news update is that the patches apply to r5 but break it. r5 will not compile with the fixes required to make it work.  |
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alright, r5 is fixed and i'm once again warning everyone that xfree is deprecated and i'm not going to enjoy messing with it anymore if there are further bugs. i'm probably going to ignore any, as xfree is deprecated and imake is the devil.
the xorg ebuild was updated by spyderous to auto-matically do config file changing for you. all that is needed is running etc-update.
| Quote: | <spyderous> Lv: i've committed a fix for config-file updating, etc-update should be all that's necessary
<Lv> really? kickass.
<jhuebel> NICE
<Lv> i'll add mention of that to the migration guide 
<spyderous> also added backwards compat symlinks for now
<spyderous> for all fonts, docs, man
<spyderous> to deprecate for a while before obsoletion
<spyderous> also, be prepared for people to whine about their windows key not working
<ferringb> err, the windows key actually has a function in linux?
<spyderous> xmodmap can manually fix that
<spyderous> you can set it up to do so |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I have to admit, xorg-x11 looks pretty good. Its running on my machines very well, and does appear to be slightly faster than xfree (imho, perhaps due to the code cleanups ..).
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:07 am Post subject: Re: xfree is officially DEPRECATED on AMD64!! |
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| ttilley wrote: |
4) Install xorg-x11
| Code: | | emerge --usepkgonly x11-base/xorg-x11 |
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I have to point out that I'm no expert on portage, so this is possibly a stupid question  : If I understand correctly, "--usepkgonly" will not compile xorg-x11, but download a binary? Can/should one not compile the package locally? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:17 am Post subject: |
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The command a few above created the package for you. So it wont download, and will be compiled by you with all your personal settings. I think.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| nevynxxx wrote: | | The command a few above created the package for you. So it wont download, and will be compiled by you with all your personal settings. I think. |
Stupid me! I must have skipped that line when reading. |
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Sorry, me again. "emerge --buildpkgonly x11-base/xorg-x11" does not work for me. I get the following message:
| Code: | !!! --buildpkgonly requires all dependencies to be merged.
!!! Cannot merge requested packages. Merge deps and try again.
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Apparently, that requested package is xterm-184, as "emerge --pretend x11-base/xorg-x11" reveals:
| Code: | These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree ("virtual/x11" from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree (from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree ("virtual/xft" from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[ebuild N ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0
[ebuild N ] x11-terms/xterm-184
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But xterm-184 depends on xorg-x11. When I "emerge --pretend =xterm-184", this is what I get:
| Code: | These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree ("virtual/x11" from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree (from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[blocks B ] x11-base/xfree ("virtual/xft" from pkg x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0)
[ebuild N ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0
[ebuild N ] x11-terms/xterm-184
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Is there a way of resolving this circular dependency other than removing xfree now and waiting for "emerge x11-base/xorg-x11" to complete? I'd like to keep working under X until compilation is finished. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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You can load xfree and use X like normal. Then unmerge xfree, then emerge xord-x11, while still running xfree. but just make sure you don't reboot while xorg-x11 is building.
This worked for me, and the transition was very easy. Just has to tweak the fonts directory, and everything was fine!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Unmerging xfree while using it sounds a little wild, but emerging xorg actually only took about half an hour, so I had a good cup of coffee. |
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| Little Nemo wrote: | | Unmerging xfree while using it sounds a little wild. |
Really  
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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oops. add --nodeps
and emerge --usepkg, not --usepkgonly, so that it will compile utempter and xterm
also, you cant install xterm while xfree is installed, as xfree provides xterm and the xterm ebuild knows this. it'll refuse to install. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Just a thought, but it might be a good idea to have this thread marked as sticky.
I'm sure most of us are going to be following these procedures over the ext few days 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: xfree is officially DEPRECATED on AMD64!! |
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| ttilley wrote: | | 5) Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config so that all font directories point to /usr/share/fonts instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts) Re-start X and enjoy![/b] |
Shouldn't that be your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
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Hello
Installed xorg today and everything is running fine. Just two error messages are confusing me a bit because the corefonts are displayed correctly.
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Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/CID/, removing from list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/corefonts/, removing from list!
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Someone has an idea whats causing this?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: Directories to be deleted manually? |
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Hello Gentooists,
first I'd like to thank ttilley for his efforts, everything worked like a charm.
However on a side-note I'd add that users interested in true type fonts should consider to safe their /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype seperately, since some important true type fonts are not included with xorg-x11 (of course you could unpack the XFree package you created earlier and merge the content of it's /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype directory with the content of the one that remains on your HD after unmerging xfree86 in - for example - /usr/local/share/fonts, but that's a few more steps to do).
But I also got a question: Are there any files or directories left that xorg-x11 doesn't use, but may not have been removed by "emerge unmerge xfree"? I just don't like orphaned files/dirs and since xfree86 wasn't the smallest built, I guess it left some unwanted remains.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: xfree is officially DEPRECATED on AMD64!! |
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| scoobydu wrote: | | ttilley wrote: | | 5) Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config so that all font directories point to /usr/share/fonts instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts) Re-start X and enjoy![/b] |
Shouldn't that be your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
Only if you don't have XF86Config. The new version will first look for the XF86Config before xorg.conf. So either will work.
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OK, I just tried xorg on my system following the directions above, and I've run into a bit of a problem.  Namely, my keyboard is not working properly for non-root users.
If I start X as root, and type in an xterm everything is fine, but If I start X as myself and try typeing, the cursor in my xterm will flash, but no characters appear.
Anyone have any ideas? Perhaps I have some incorrect permissions on my devices?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:01 am Post subject: |
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OK, I got it fixed (although I don't know exactly how) 
I ran an emerge -Du xorg-x11, and then rebooted my workstation. I also removed xbindkeys from my gnome starup. Now I can type with no problems.
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It looks like xbindkeys was the problem. I started it manually in an xterm, and immediately lost the ability to type in the terminal.
I am re-emerging xbindkeys right now to see if that will make a difference. 
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Well, it looks like xbindkeys is not compatible with xorg  Anyone know of another keymapper (other than the gnome one) that works with xorg?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| ulysses_cruz wrote: | | Anyone know of another keymapper (other than the gnome one) that works with xorg? |
xmodmap. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| file a bug on xbihdkeys. nobody will notice or even care about it unless you file a bug |
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Filed bug #48423 on this issue.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Just did emerge -U world (which included xorg), applied auto-generated diffs via etc-update, restarted X, did unmerge xfree. Everything's working... Unbelievable. Superb job of the ebuild maintainers! Plus, the annoying bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45015 is now absent. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:21 am Post subject: xdm | kdm | gdm | etc... |
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Read through this topic and no ones mentioned it yet, and I want to make sure it won't break before I do this. Will merging xorg be transparent to login managers such as gdm (or xdm, kdm, etc.)?? I really like gdm, and I want to continue using it...
That leads me to my next question, will the wm stuff be the same as it was? I really don't want to have to go through configuring Fluxbox again...
From reading the topic I want to assume that these fears are invalid, but assumptions like that are the mother of all fuckups....
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