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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: SiS7012 + ALSA can it work? [Solved] |
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hi all!
i installed gentoo 2004.0 and i want also to enable sound on my system so i followed the ALSA guide (im using gentoo-dev-sources 2.6.5) and all seems to be fine and the modules loaded (i have SiS 7012) and i didnt get any error messege but i also didny get any sounds :\
so i tried to play a little with the kernel but it didnt help and it even got worse and now im getting this error messege :
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root@bob daniel # /etc/init.d/alsasound start
* Loading ALSA drivers...
* Using ALSA OSS emulation
* Loading: snd-seq-oss
WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq_midi_event (/lib/modules/2.6.5-gentoo-r1/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-midi-event.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.5-gentoo-r1/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
* Loading: snd-intel8x0
WARNING: Error inserting gameport (/lib/modules/2.6.5-gentoo-r1/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/gameport.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_intel8x0 (/lib/modules/2.6.5-gentoo-r1/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
* Running card-dependent scripts
* Restoring Mixer Levels [ ok ]
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this is my /etc/modules.d/alsa :
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# Alsa 0.9.X kernel modules' configuration file.
# $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/media-sound/alsa-utils/files/alsa-modules.conf-rc,v 1.1 2003/08/05 21:07:55 johnm Exp $
# ALSA portion
alias char-major-116 snd
# OSS/Free portion
alias char-major-14 soundcore
##
## IMPORTANT:
## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s)
## and then run `update-modules' command.
## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info.
##
## ALSA portion
alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
## alias snd-card-1 snd-ens1371
## OSS/Free portion
##alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
## alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1
##
# OSS/Free portion - card #1
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
## OSS/Free portion - card #2
## alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss
## alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss
## alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss
# Set this to the correct number of cards.
options snd cards_limit=1
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Also i had kernel 2.6.3 and there the sound didnt work for me so i upgraded to 2.6.5 , but i cant emerge alsa-driver , but i dont think that its makes a diffrens becuse im trying to use the kernel modules.
i really like gentoo and i want also to have sound with it
can you help me?
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Shalom D-Way,
Lets see here. SIS7012 is supported by ALSA in the kernel and you are loading it as a module:
* Loading: snd-intel8x0
Have you installed alsa-lib? You should also probably run alsaconf. I didn't have to but I have seen references to it so I guess that is the way to go.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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ok
i emerge alsa-lib and restarted the computer and then ran alsaconf and i got this messege :
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root@bob daniel # alsaconf
/usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 33: [: too many arguments
/usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 35: [: too many arguments
which: no dialog in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
which: no whiptail in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
Error, dialog or whiptail not found.
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and after im stoping alsa im getting this :
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* WARNING: you are stopping a boot service.
* Unloading ALSA...
* Storing ALSA Mixer Levels
/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found...
* Unloading modules
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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But were you able to configure and get your sound working?
If you reboot your machine, please post the information from lsmod please. _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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i didnt manage to get my sound working at all , and alsaconf as you can see not exactly working...
and here is my lsmod :
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Module Size Used by
snd_ac97_codec 61188 -
snd_mpu401_uart 6272 -
snd_rawmidi 21024 -
snd_pcm_oss 49572 -
snd_pcm 86820 -
snd_page_alloc 9220 -
snd_mixer_oss 17664 -
snd_seq 53136 -
snd_timer 22404 -
snd_seq_device 6920 -
snd 48740 -
soundcore 7648 -
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well, strangely enough, you are missing the driver for your soundchip which is called snd-intel8x0...
How did you install Gentoo? How did you change from 2.6.3 to 2.6.5? Did you compile the kernel yourself? If so, what sound modules did you include? Specify which ones are a part of the kernel and which ones are compiled as modules. _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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i know im missing the driver , and the strange thing that after i compiled the kernel (myself) the driver was loaded but i didnt and i didnt get any error messege when booting , but i also didnt get any sound , so i tried to recompile the kernel again with another module (C-Media 8738, 8338) but then i got back to my normal configuration (Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111) , and now im getting those errors.
here are my sound modules :
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<M> Sound card support
│ │
│ │ <M> Sequencer support │ │
│ │ < > Sequencer dummy client │ │
│ │ <M> OSS Mixer API │ │
│ │ <M> OSS PCM (digital audio) API │ │
│ │ [*] OSS Sequencer API │ │
│ │ [ ] Verbose printk │ │
│ │ [ ] Debug │ │
│ │ Generic devices ---> │ │
│ │ ISA devices ---> │ │
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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OK, that was only a part of what I was looking for actually. I think it is just a matter of configuration gone wrong here. This is what I would install in the kernel (I am looking at a 2.6.5 kernel) if I was you:
Go to "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture --->" and select the following:
Module: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
Module: Sequencer support
Module: OSS Mixer API
Module: OSS PCM (digital audio) API
Kernel: OSS Sequencer API
Go to "PCI devices --->" and select the following:
module: Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111
That is it. That is what I am using on both my machines (except for the audio driver itself that is different). Do not select anything under "Open Sound System --->"!! _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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thanks!
shoukd i emerge alsa-driver after i recompile my kernel? _________________ BUFU = Buy Us Fu*k U ! ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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No! The alsa-driver is for the 2.4 kernels! That is what this is all about ALSA drivers are now in the kernel so you should not install alsa-driver. You should use the alsa-lib and even getting the alsa-utils doesn't hurt but that is it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and I forgot an old classic....
Check your mixer settings! They are almost always either muted or down to zero by default so you won't hear anything by default! Jack them up and turn them on when you test your sound! _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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thanks!
now my alsa boot witout errors...
here is my lsmod:
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Module Size Used by
snd_intel8x0 30760 1
snd_ac97_codec 61188 1 snd_intel8x0
gameport 3840 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_mpu401_uart 6272 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_rawmidi 21024 1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_oss 32640 0
snd_seq_midi_event 6400 1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq 53392 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 7048 3 snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss 49700 0
snd_pcm 86820 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc 9220 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
snd_timer 22532 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_mixer_oss 17792 2 snd_pcm_oss
snd 49252 12 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss
soundcore 7648 2 snd
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but i still dont have sound
not with xmms and not with CD Player and not with mplayer...
here is my amixer:
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Simple mixer control 'Master',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0
Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Mono: Playback 30 [97%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Surround',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Line',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Line-In As Surround',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
Simple mixer control 'CD',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Mono: Playback 31 [100%] [on]
Front Left: Capture [on]
Front Right: Capture [on]
Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost (+20dB)',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mic Select',0
Capabilities:
Mono:
Simple mixer control 'Video',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Phone',0
Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [off]
Front Left: Capture [off]
Front Right: Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'PC Speaker',0
Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: Playback 0 - 15
Mono: Playback 15 [100%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Aux',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 31
Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off]
Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mono Output Select',0
Capabilities:
Mono:
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Capture 0 - 15
Front Left: Capture 15 [100%] [on]
Front Right: Capture 15 [100%] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Mix',0
Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Front Left: Capture [off]
Front Right: Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mix Mono',0
Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive
Capture exclusive group: 0
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Front Left: Capture [off]
Front Right: Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'Duplicate Front',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
Simple mixer control 'External Amplifier',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
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any ideas?
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hey!
Okay, i've got a similar problem.
I can play sound, but i think, that the sound is not played by the alsa-driver.
I'm using Gnome 2.6 , Kernel 2.6.5 and i've edited the Config-Files in the same way like D-Way.
The strange thing is, if i open the mixer in Gnome, it lists two devices. The one is called "C-Media Electronics CMI9739 [Audio Mixer (OSS)]" and the other device is called "SiS 7012 [ALSA Mixer]".
It is funny, that the PCM level in the ALSA tab is at zero. The second funny thing is, that i can't raise the level. Rather i'm allowed to change the volume at the C-Media Tab ..
Playing a mp3 with XMMS works just, if i select the OSS mixer in XMMS. Choosing ALSA, i don't hear anything. And if i set the volume in XMMS to 2 %, i've got the full volume, instead of the 2 %, which is selected in XMMS.
So, what could this be?
Following i paste my configs:
/etc/modules.d/alsa.conf
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# ALSA portion
alias char-major-116 snd
# OSS/Free portion
alias char-major-14 soundcore
##
## IMPORTANT:
## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s)
## and then run `update-modules' command.
## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info.
##
## ALSA portion
alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
## alias snd-card-1 snd-ens1371
## OSS/Free portion
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
## alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1
##
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss
alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss
# Set this to the correct number of cards.
options snd cards_limit=1
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lsmod
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svgalib_helper 11180 -
snd_seq_oss 33760 -
snd_seq_midi 6336 -
snd_seq_midi_event 6208 -
snd_seq 56208 -
snd_pcm_oss 49988 -
snd_mixer_oss 17536 -
snd_intel8x0 29828 -
snd_pcm 89984 -
snd_timer 23140 -
snd_page_alloc 8868 -
snd_mpu401_uart 6336 -
snd_rawmidi 21056 -
snd_seq_device 6568 -
snd_ac97_codec 62116 -
snd 49060 -
soundcore 7168 -
nvidia 1702540 -
dummy 1604 -
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kernel-config
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│ │ <M> Sound card support │ │
│ │ Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ---> │ │
│ │ Open Sound System ---> │ │
│ │ <M> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture │ │
│ │ <M> Sequencer support │ │
│ │ < > Sequencer dummy client │ │
│ │ <M> OSS Mixer API │ │
│ │ <M> OSS PCM (digital audio) API │ │
│ │ [*] OSS Sequencer API │ │
│ │< > ICE/VT1724 (Envy24HT) │ │
│ │<M> Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111 │ │
│ │< > Intel i8x0/MX440; AMD768/8111 modems (EXPERIMENTAL) │ │
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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well here is a little update...
it seems to be that i got sound , becuse i emerged gaim today and it playes sound (when sending a messege for example)...
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Good stuff!
I also think it is the mixer issues that Jaroslaw mentioned. Play around with it for a bit. I am sure that you will figure it out! _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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well i played around with the mixer and still nothing ...
i cant here sound when im playing a music cd... _________________ BUFU = Buy Us Fu*k U ! ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm. This seems to be a persistent problem....
I checked on the forums and I ended up finding a post where somebody said that you would need the AC97 module as well. Try compiling that in to see if it makes any difference.
Also, are you getting any errors in dmesg? It would help in solving your issues. If you search for SIS7012 on this forum then you will get many hits. Seems to be a common problem.[/url] _________________ Punk is an attitude
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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ok thanks !
but it strange cuase im know the module is loaded :
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Module Size Used by
snd_intel8x0 30760 1
snd_ac97_codec 61188 1 snd_intel8x0
gameport 3840 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_mpu401_uart 6272 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_rawmidi 21024 1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_oss 32640 0
snd_seq_midi_event 6400 1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq 53392 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 7048 3 snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss 49700 0
snd_pcm 86820 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc 9220 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
snd_timer 22532 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_mixer_oss 17792 2 snd_pcm_oss
snd 49252 12 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss
soundcore 7648 2 snd
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and where should i recmpilr it again?
and again thank you for your help ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ BUFU = Buy Us Fu*k U ! ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Purrkur Apprentice
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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OK, sorry. If it is already there then you don't need to do anything.
Is dmesg reporting any sound related errors? If you start kmix in KDE manually, does it report any errors? I need something to go on here in order to help you. I am pretty certain that your problems are mixer related, but I am not really sure why. I found another SIS7012 user that is also having the same problems here:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=44366&highlight=7012+mixer
But nobody is giving him any help
I have also been brainstorming a bit. Is your user a part of the "audio" group? Is there any difference in sound behaviour between a regular user and root?
Also, where are you trying to play sounds? In Xmms? Are you certain that you have it configured correctly? Use the aRts output plugin in Xmms if that is what you are using (and running KDE).
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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i got sound!!!!
i dont know exactly what i did exept maybe changed im my /etc/modules.d/alsa from
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## OSS/Free portion
## alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
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## OSS/Free portion
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
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and then did :
and thats it!
i got sound!
so thank you very much for your help Purrkur
now my next mission is DRI support to my SIS chip so that i will be able to play Quake 3 ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ BUFU = Buy Us Fu*k U ! ![Smile :)](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Purrkur Apprentice
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Excellent!!! _________________ Punk is an attitude
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