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lopio
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 Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject: which athlon? |
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hi,
i'd like running gentoo 64,which athlon do you suggests to buy?
I think athlon FX51/53 are too expensive to jistify performance improvement?
What do you think§?
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FX51/53's, as I understand it, are relabled and massively overpriced Opterons. Athlon64's are crippled Opterons. So it all comes back to Opterons.  I'm running a dual-opteron system myself, and I like it.
Opterons have a 3-digit model number. The first digit means how many CPUs can be used on one board - a 1xx is single-cpu only, a 2xx can work in dual-processor systems, and a 8xx can work in up to 8-way systems. The last two digits mean speed.. so, an Opteron 242 would be a dual-processor capable 1.6GHz Opteron processor.
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lopio
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| Corona688 wrote: | | The last two digits mean speed.. so, an Opteron 242 would be a dual-processor capable 1.6GHz Opteron processor. |
What about perfo dual opteron vs athlon (64/fx/fx51) and price?
Don't you think registered memory is too expensive and best relationship between price/performance is otained by a simple athlon64 with not registered memory?
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Opteron is more server oriented, so if you are looking for home, stick with an AMD64. About FX, AMD64 3400+ and FX51 are neck to neck in almost all benchmarks with a $300 difference so forget the FX.
Got an AMD64 3000+ here ($200), I just love it  . I think this is one of the best ratio price/preformance now.
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lopio
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| ikshaar wrote: | Opteron is more server oriented, so if you are looking for home, stick with an AMD64. About FX, AMD64 3400+ and FX51 are neck to neck in almost all benchmarks with a $300 difference so forget the FX.
Got an AMD64 3000+ here ($200), I just love it . I think this is one of the best ratio price/preformance now. |
I think you 're right.
it doesn't need registered memory,is it?
And what about mobo?
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Ok you ask for it  ... the beast is based on :
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- AMD ATHLON 64 3000+ RETAIL BOXED 64-BIT SOCKET 754 $227.00
- AOPEN AK86L VIA K8T800 CHIPSET ULTRA ATA133 ATX FORM FACTOR W/SATA, LAN(Gb), USB 2.0 & AUDIO $93.45
- KINGSTON KVR400X64C3AK2/1G 2X512MB (MATCH PAIR) PC3200 400MHZ CL3 (3-3-3) DDR DIMM $170.25
- THERMALTAKE W0009R SILENT PUREPOWER 420W $52.00
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Price are 2 months old...
- MB was the best choice at the time (check reviews), there might be a better option now but this one is good. (! no firewire on that one, AOpen has a new one with it if you need it)
- DDR400 work only with 1Gb or less, if you take more than 1Gb, go DDR333.
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| thank you ikshaar for your help |
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| I agree about the Athlon 64 3200+, the price/performance ratio is unbeatable. I'd suggest the Asus K8V Deluxe as mainboard. It comes with firewire and most anything you can ask for and it fully supports Cool'n'Quiet and CPU frequency scaling. |
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lopio
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| and what about opteron or smp system ? |
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Little Nemo
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| lopio wrote: | | and what about opteron or smp system ? |
If you can afford it, great! But you have to pay a lot more for the Opteron for a small performance increase. A dual or even quad Opteron system would be perfect, of course, but extremely expensive.
I rather buy hardware when it's affordable. The latest and greatest usually ages too fast. |
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| Little Nemo wrote: | | lopio wrote: | | and what about opteron or smp system ? |
A dual or even quad Opteron system would be perfect, of course, but extremely expensive.
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too expensive!!!!!!!!!!
your athlon solution seems to be the best.
On the other side a configuration with dual MP seems to be slower and more expensive too,right?.
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| I have a dual Athlon MP 2200 system at home and an Athlon 64 3200 system at work. Just to give you an idea: the AMD 64 system compiles its kernel in 6:30 whereas the dual Athlon MP system needs 13:30. |
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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great !!!
ok you convinced me to choose athlon64
thank you very much
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I just did some price checking on the net and at the moment, the cheapest Opteron, is cheaper than the cheapest Athlon64 according to pricewatch.
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You're right, the Opteron prices haved dropped. Current prices for AMD 64bit CPUs at a German reseller:
Athlon 64 2800+ (1800 MHz) boxed 214
Athlon 64 3200+ (2000 MHz) boxed 289
Opteron 142 (1600 MHz) boxed 209
Opteron 144 (1800 MHz) boxed 249
Opteron 146 (2000 MHz) boxed 314
Only the Athlon 64 and the Opteron 146 are truly comparable, though, as both have 128kB L1 cache and 1024 kB L2 cache.
Even the mainboard prices for Opteron boards are not that huge any more. The Asus SK8V is sold at 199 compared to 134 for the K8V SE Deluxe.
I don't know how both CPUs compare in speed, although the Opteron certainly has some architectural advantages. |
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