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Drewgrange
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Heh, I'd like to see them try and send us all to Iraq.
There isn't really a need for this. The US has about 1.5 million active duty military personel right now. |
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Xerroz
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well, i know im not going  |
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There's no way in hell there'll be another draft.
For starters, the current military would fight this tooth and nail, since it would DRASTICALLY reduce the quality of our armed forces. Not everyone's cut out for the military lifestyle, and trying to force everyone into it would be a complete disaster.
It'd also increase the current military budget by a huge degree in order to provide, support, shelter, food, etc. to the draftees and their families. And with Bush's "Spend and Spend" policies, this would cause MAJOR problems.
Sorry, but it ain't gonna happen. Thank $DEITY.
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| I'm Buddhist, therefor it is no worry to me. |
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anyeurysm
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| KungFuHamster wrote: | There's no way in hell there'll be another draft.
For starters, the current military would fight this tooth and nail, since it would DRASTICALLY reduce the quality of our armed forces. Not everyone's cut out for the military lifestyle, and trying to force everyone into it would be a complete disaster.
It'd also increase the current military budget by a huge degree in order to provide, support, shelter, food, etc. to the draftees and their families. And with Bush's "Spend and Spend" policies, this would cause MAJOR problems.
Sorry, but it ain't gonna happen. Thank $DEITY. |
H. R. 163
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
S. 89
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
there are 2 different versions of these bills, one for ages 18-26, and one for aged 18-49....
| Quote: | | There's no way in hell there'll be another draft. |
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| Quote: | | There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. |
... o_o
Read that carefully.
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Xerroz
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| well...all i know is im not going >too young< |
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Drewgrange
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Xerroz, the type of program they're talking about enacting would be around for a long time. It's similar to programs they have in other countries. |
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anyeurysm
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yeah, you forgot we are in a hundred year war against "terror"
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| There's always the educational deferment. Lets just see how many PhDs I can get. |
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Drewgrange
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| pizen, read the article. It specifically says that they're trying their best to make college and Canada no longer options. |
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I would prefer that if there is a Draft that there be NO deferment. All are called or none are called.
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time to move back to the the mother country!
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| Lord Deathscythe wrote: | | I would prefer that if there is a Draft that there be NO deferment. All are called or none are called. |
There will always be deferments. Medical, hardship, and such. |
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Some deferments are inevitable. It is very irresponsible to send someone into combat if they, lets say, have perforated ear drums (common with people who had tubes as children). A nearby explosion could easily result in deafness, thus a worthless soldier.
As far as the draft, I don't think it will ever be used. But if it is, and if I were young enough, I would enlist just as my father, grandfather, and great grandfather did when their country called on them. |
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pizen
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| Drewgrange wrote: | | pizen, read the article. It specifically says that they're trying their best to make college and Canada no longer options. |
Ok, I admit that I didn't read the article. Now I have. The idea of removing undergrads from school to fight is quite frightening. And for the Canada thing...well, my fiance would rather we move to a spanish-speaking country so we'd probably head south rather than north (I'm kidding...I think) |
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Xerroz
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i didnt read it either  i just know im not going lol |
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| Xerroz wrote: | | i didnt read it either i just know im not going lol |
Cause you are underage? You do realize one day you will be of age, and this war we are in isnt gonna be over anytime soon. If I was you, I would do all in my power to prevent a draft. Read the bills going before congress and try to educate people on them. Whining gets us nowhere, activism changes things. |
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| pizen wrote: | | Drewgrange wrote: | | pizen, read the article. It specifically says that they're trying their best to make college and Canada no longer options. |
Ok, I admit that I didn't read the article. Now I have. The idea of removing undergrads from school to fight is quite frightening. And for the Canada thing...well, my fiance would rather we move to a spanish-speaking country so we'd probably head south rather than north (I'm kidding...I think) |
If anything, undergrads would be the first on the Transports out if I had my way.
Medical is a given.
And I would rewrite all our extradition treaties to state that draft dodgers were to be immediatly returned for trial in the US.
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| Lord Deathscythe wrote: | | pizen wrote: | | Drewgrange wrote: | | pizen, read the article. It specifically says that they're trying their best to make college and Canada no longer options. |
Ok, I admit that I didn't read the article. Now I have. The idea of removing undergrads from school to fight is quite frightening. And for the Canada thing...well, my fiance would rather we move to a spanish-speaking country so we'd probably head south rather than north (I'm kidding...I think) |
If anything, undergrads would be the first on the Transports out if I had my way.
Medical is a given.
And I would rewrite all our extradition treaties to state that draft dodgers were to be immediatly returned for trial in the US. |
Like Canada would obey our laws that force extradition. Look at em up there, cleaning 24/7. Eating Eggs Benedict. Watching curling. They think they are so better than us.......
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| Lord Deathscythe wrote: | If anything, undergrads would be the first on the Transports out if I had my way.
Medical is a given.
And I would rewrite all our extradition treaties to state that draft dodgers were to be immediatly returned for trial in the US. |
I guess that's why you're not in charge. How do you feel about the conscientious objector deferment? |
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| pizen wrote: | | Lord Deathscythe wrote: | If anything, undergrads would be the first on the Transports out if I had my way.
Medical is a given.
And I would rewrite all our extradition treaties to state that draft dodgers were to be immediatly returned for trial in the US. |
I guess that's why you're not in charge. How do you feel about the conscientious objector deferment? |
I wish that one worked with civillian jobs!
But then again, I was born without a conscience. :-/ |
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Drewgrange
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| solomonHk wrote: | | pizen wrote: | | Lord Deathscythe wrote: | If anything, undergrads would be the first on the Transports out if I had my way.
Medical is a given.
And I would rewrite all our extradition treaties to state that draft dodgers were to be immediatly returned for trial in the US. |
I guess that's why you're not in charge. How do you feel about the conscientious objector deferment? |
I wish that one worked with civillian jobs!
But then again, I was born without a conscience. :-/ |
The difference being that you don't kill people in a civillian job (normally), and that nobody randomly draws your name from a hat making you do that job. The draft is a flawed concept. If a country cannot muster up enough support voluntarily to fight a war, then there is either not a good enough reason for the war, or the country doesn't deserve to exist much longer. |
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