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wilburpan l33t
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 977
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:03 am Post subject: My article got published on Newsforge! |
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I wrote an article comparing the relationship between open source software and IT companies to the relationship between academic biomedical research and pharmaceutical companies, and Newsforge was kind enough to publish it! If you're interested, you can read it here on their website. _________________ I'm only hanging out in OTW until I get rid of this stupid l33t ranking.....Crap. That didn't work. |
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Malakai Apprentice
Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Posts: 299
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: |
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That is an excellent article my friend, well written and informative, as well as convincing.
Two thumbs up.
PS: You're the man irl Research is an honorable calling, one I myself am pursuing (albeit physics and not medical). |
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placeholder Advocate
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 2500
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Good article although you have some retarded critics at the bottom. And although I think that all testing should be done on willing humans, I'm not going to get into that because it's not the topic and we're in the Gentoo chat forum.
Overall, I think the article is well-written and has a very good point. |
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placeholder Advocate
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 2500
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well I was going to post a reply to the article on Newsforge as well, but since I'm at my school whose server goes down for stupid reasons like viruses (yeah, they run a Windows server ) it also decided to be retarded and firewall something stupid so that the form had an error. I saved it though and will post it from home. |
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semiSfear Guru
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Posts: 302 Location: Adelaide, SA
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting reading, so I guess a "good on ya" is at it's order.
Good on Ya! _________________ DnB is my religion, Jungle is my church. |
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SubAtomic Apprentice
Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 255 Location: Hobart, TAS, Australia
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent article.
I especially liked this comment ...
Dickhead wrote: | I am sick and tired of know-it-all PhDs trying to tell the world how to run a company or do business with Open Source principles. OSS doesn't work for software and it hell will not work for Biotech. |
I can only say "well done" to you and "show me some of your published work" to the dickhead quoted above. _________________ "The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of incomplete ideas." -- Alan Kay |
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Malakai Apprentice
Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Posts: 299
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to add that I think one of the most compelling and attractive aspects of working in the academic is the nearly universal free flow of information between people, groups, and other entities. |
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Isaiah Guru
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 359
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent article indeed - just look at all the astroturf |
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krdp n00b
Joined: 27 Feb 2004 Posts: 41 Location: Newfoundland, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Good article!!! way to go |
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spb Retired Dev
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 2135 Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Good article, shame about the people replying to it. |
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aethyr Veteran
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 1085 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't read the whole thing yet, but keep in mind that many of the full articles found through pubmed are only "open" to those who have their access paid through institutions (universities or companies or whatnot).
As an individual there's no way I could afford to read all the stuff I find on pubmed :/
In regards to the article, the research groups I'm close with use a mixture of open and closed source software. |
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placeholder Advocate
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 2500
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was able to post my reply. I hope that helps fight off the dickheads trying to criticize your work. |
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wilburpan l33t
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 977
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the nice comments!
As far as access to full articles via pubmed: all you really have to do if yo want to read the full article is go to a medical school library. In any case, I think the point still stands, as the barrier to accessing information in biomedical research journals is very low compared to, say, a nondisclosure agreement that, say, Oracle would impose if you were to look at the source code for Oracle Database 10g. Also, once you overcome that barrier, whcih can be done by travelling to a medical school library, you are able to do what you want with the information you've read. _________________ I'm only hanging out in OTW until I get rid of this stupid l33t ranking.....Crap. That didn't work. |
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placeholder Advocate
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Some people's minds are too closed up by capitalism to see how it works I suppose. Either that, or they smoke way too much crack. |
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KiTaSuMbA Guru
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 430 Location: Naples Italy
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well done wilbur! Oh, and never mind those few braindead ppl saying something in the lines of "you are an academic, what do you know about business?" As anyone even remotely related to academic research can tell you, it's definatelly closely attached to business. For money make it all happen...
I'm in the neurosciences field, so I know the model you describe from personal experience. And it's not just the biomedical field... It's the entire scientific world that works this way. Sure, the biomedical research and products feel "closer" and more tangible to most people than say superstring theories in theoretical physics or an archeology expedition, but the principles are exactly the same. Let's take the last example: a private sector company finances a team of archeologists to go some hundred miles in the desert and start digging, funneling even millions of dollars down their way for technology and living expenses. Of course, what they find will not remain a secret but it gets rather actively publicized at more costs for the financer. Why would they ever lose money on something like that? They don't own the site or the findings and cannot sell or hire them. What they _hope_ to own or at least manage from an advantaged point is the entire tourism and/or entertainment business that is going to be built around their findings like a hotel resort or a percentage of rights for a hollywood movie whose producers will ask for some expertise.
In a very similar manner, IBM will finance and give happily away all the linux development it can get done, because they are looking for an advantage point in a closely-linked business of their own: hardware and services. Now, if they can get enterprise clients on linux desktops what's better for a server than a 100% linux-compliant IBM big iron? And CEOs will probably take the high price tag with some ease since they saved so much money on the desktop machines.
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LeTene Guru
Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 348 Location: Ah'll glass ye!
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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A nicely written piece willburpan, a good read.
To take up on a quoter mentioned by SubAtomic:
SubAtomic wrote: |
I especially liked this comment ...
Dickhead wrote: | I am sick and tired of know-it-all PhDs trying to tell the world how to run a company or do business with Open Source principles. OSS doesn't work for software and it hell will not work for Biotech. |
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This is akin to the classic "Experts?!!! What do they know?" quote . _________________ Docs, Tips & Tricks at the Gentoo Wiki page. |
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wilburpan l33t
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 977
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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LeTene wrote: | Dickhead wrote: | I am sick and tired of know-it-all PhDs trying to tell the world how to run a company or do business with Open Source principles. OSS doesn't work for software and it hell will not work for Biotech. |
This is akin to the classic "Experts?!!! What do they know?" quote . |
Actually, the more (disturbing? depressing?) thing is that it's not clear to me that the person that posted the comment about OSS not working for biotech actually read the article. If he had, he would have learned that there is a significant open source component to the biotech field already in place. That's the whole point.
Such is the damage that video games hath wrought, I guess. _________________ I'm only hanging out in OTW until I get rid of this stupid l33t ranking.....Crap. That didn't work. |
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ed0n l33t
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 638 Location: Prishtine/Kosove
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds that I found a good article to read before I go to bed . |
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IvanHoe l33t
Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 658
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Good article wilburpan. However, I find the issue of software patents much more distressing than the open vs. closed source argument. |
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UncleRage n00b
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 6 Location: Western NY
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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A very comfortable article to read with some damn fine points made.
Aces to you, wilburpan. _________________ Rage
The difficulty of a system is comparable only to the ignorance of the end user. |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Good article. Quite well-written. Nice jorb. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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chris78 n00b
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Nuernberg, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Really nice article. Also the comments have introduced some interesting aspects.
I posted my comment on the article here.
Did you publish other articles before or do you want to publish more?
Chris _________________ GNUnet |
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