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klieber
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 Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: Gentoo Foundation Web Site Redesign Contest |
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Questions about the redesign contest? Use this thread.
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Is a transparent PNG or similar of the gentoo logo available, or are we going to have to create it ourselves?  |
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Just fire up Photoshop, a little magnetic lasso, and BAM.
Crap - I meant GIMP.
I swear it wasn't intentional! No, no - please! Not the sharpened Gentoo CDs! Auuuuuuugggghhhhhh...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| somewhere in the forums, someone once posted a link to nice big png of the gentoo logo. i couldn't find it right now though |
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use the SVG version of it and export it to the needed size in inkscape
personally i like the design on http://lila-theme.uni.cc/
not too apropriate but modification could work |
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@viperlin:
| Code: | An error occurred while loading http://lila-theme.uni.cc/:
Unknown host lila-theme.uni.cc |
@all:
| http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/redesign-guidelines.xml wrote: | [...]
The final 5 candidates will be chosen based on a number of criteria including:
Overall design -- does it look ugly.
Navigation -- can people find their way around easily. [?]
Integration of Advertisements -- Are the advertisements placed prominently, without taking over the entire design of the page.
Render time -- how long will pages take to load? [?]
Flexibility and Scalability of design -- can we add new pages and sections easily to allow for future growth. [?]
Cool factor -- totally subjective interpretation of the submission. Does it "wow" us.
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Umh, I wonder how to judge the three points marked with "[?]" when all you have is a png image? Or did I just overread something?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| viperlin wrote: | use the SVG version of it and export it to the needed size in inkscape
personally i like the design on http://lila-theme.uni.cc/
not too apropriate but modification could work |
Too babyish for my liking...
Personally I like something like Novell, RedHat or IBM
We understand that Gentoo is a community thing, not a big corporate but for it to get decent funding it needs donations from big customers and for big customers to start using Gentoo it needs a very professional corporate style web site.
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| Quote: | 2. Contest Rules
Entrants should submit two images in PNG format. The first image should show a full mockup of the front page of www.gentoo.org. The second image should show a full mockup of the first page of the Gentoo Handbook.
All designs should take into consideration the existing content available on www.gentoo.org and must allocate space for advertisements as well. |
Does this include, that all links available on the front page should remain there? If you expect this, most likely you won't get any submissions, which look less cluttered as gentoo.org looks now.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I think one of the first questions must be:
- Why we need a new design ? What's wrong with current ?
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@andyjeffries:
Did viperline's link work for you? All I get is the error message shown in my previous post.
And isn't the actual design corporate right now? Didn't notice that there is a difference in design when visiting the main sub-parts of the gentoo portal.
@pihta:
Right, that's what exactly came to my mind when I read the headline on the main page. What was the intention on changing the design at all?
I always thought "Wow, cool design, simple, elegant, fast, easy to read through". So, what's wrong with it at all?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Shadows wrote: | @andyjeffries:
Did viperline's link work for you? All I get is the error message shown in my previous post. |
It works for me
| Shadows wrote: | | What was the intention on changing the design at all? |
Hopefully this will be one of the poll options |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Shadows wrote: | @andyjeffries:
Did viperline's link work for you? All I get is the error message shown in my previous post. |
Sure did. If you still can't access it, I've put a screenshot up.
| Shadows wrote: | | And isn't the actual design corporate right now? Didn't notice that there is a difference in design when visiting the main sub-parts of the gentoo portal. |
It is a a more corporate design than others, but it seems mismatched. There are different shades of purple (some seeming too blue), black, white. To be honest, it looks too much like Slashdot but isn't general enough (i.e. what's with the Penguin and Gentoo logos by every news item - there isn't enough variety to justify them).
It's not a bad site, but it could be a lot better.
Unfortunately I'm not a designer, otherwise I'd have a crack at designing something (in fact, I actually still might). But I do work for an internet consultancy so web site design is more than a hobby to me...
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| Shadows wrote: | | Umh, I wonder how to judge the three points marked with "[?]" when all you have is a png image? Or did I just overread something? |
If you bury navigation in some obscure part of the page, or make it otherwise hard to see/find, it's going to fail the navigation test.
If you load up the page with tons and tons of graphics, it's going to take forever to download.
As for flexibility, that depends a lot on navigation placement.
Basically, all of these things are items which a professional designer should inherently take into consideration when designing a new look and feel. They can be judged from appearance rather easily.
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| Carlo wrote: | | Does this include, that all links available on the front page should remain there? |
No -- the second part of the site redoing the site map, content, etc. That's where we'll look at what links need to be where.
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| klieber wrote: | | Basically, all of these things are items which a professional designer should inherently take into consideration when designing a new look and feel. |
I'd like to recommend "Designing Web Sites That Sell" as a good book for anyone interested in designing web sites. It's not directly applicable to this Gentoo site with few products, but there are general lessons in there for clean and professional sites (such as the concept that there should only be 7+-2 navigation items in a group).
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If I have some time I may try my hand at this. When does the submission have to be in by?
Also, to anyone participating, make sure to take a look at the Lila themes (viperlin posted the link), there are many icons that could be used on the site and they are all GPL (Gentoo 'G' of course copyright Gentoo, and used with permission, don't worry). Search the forums for 'Lila' if you need a specific icon made that isn't already in the set and I'm sure we could arrange it.
As for an SVG version of the Gentoo G, you can check my sig
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| dgt84 wrote: | | When does the submission have to be in by? |
Please read the redesign guidelines.
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| klieber wrote: | | dgt84 wrote: | | When does the submission have to be in by? |
Please read the redesign guidelines.
--kurt |
Oops, I must have missed that when reading over them.  Hmmm, the 25th seems kind of rushed; I wonder how many people will try for it with such little time...
Also, by submissions I assume you mean a working site (with at least those two pages), not just a gimped up version of an idea for a new site. Am I correct in assuming this? Are there any restrictions on CSS use (i.e. do we have to be IE friendly, or can we use W3C standards)?
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| dgt84 wrote: | | Also, by submissions I assume you mean a working site (with at least those two pages), not just a gimped up version of an idea for a new site. Am I correct in assuming this? |
No, you should read the guidelines. You just need to submit two PNG images, so gimped up ideas of a new site are all we want at this point.
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| klieber wrote: |
No, you should read the guidelines. You just need to submit two PNG images, so gimped up ideas of a new site are all we want at this point.
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Heh, I did read them, but I thought the PNG images should be screenshots of the site instead of any old image you can think of. Sorry!
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In case the guidelines aren't clear, the purpose of this contest is only to establish a look and feel for the new site. Things like accessibility, use of CSS, browser compatibility and other programmatic things will be defined later.
We want to establish the look first and we'll then use that as the basis for the rest of the redesign.
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@andyjeffries
Thx for your screenshot, works perfectly for me. For some reason currently not known to me viperline's link still gives me that error message... Hopefully, it'll fix itself by the end of the day ;)
| andyjeffries wrote: | | It is a a more corporate design than others, but it seems mismatched. There are different shades of purple (some seeming too blue), black, white. |
Ok, that's right, there is some space for improvement ;)
| andyjeffries wrote: | | I'd like to recommend "Designing Web Sites That Sell" as a good book for anyone interested in designing web sites. It's not directly applicable to this Gentoo site with few products, but there are general lessons in there for clean and professional sites (such as the concept that there should only be 7+-2 navigation items in a group). |
Thx for the recommendation, I'll give it a try. That 7+-2 thing reminds me of some hints on general presentation of information (like on flipcharts, overhead-projectors and stuff), and AFAIK it's because humans can't concentrate on more than 7 things at a time. Designing with usabillity in mind is an interesting subject - if I'd just have a bit more time, I'd try to delve a bit deeper into it.
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| klieber wrote: | If you bury navigation in some obscure part of the page, or make it otherwise hard to see/find, it's going to fail the navigation test.
If you load up the page with tons and tons of graphics, it's going to take forever to download.
As for flexibility, that depends a lot on navigation placement.
Basically, all of these things are items which a professional designer should inherently take into consideration when designing a new look and feel. They can be judged from appearance rather easily. |
Ok, first I was assuming it's about the programming and internal stuff, too, but your last posting finally made it clear to me :)
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Hi everybody.
Having fun today? Good!
Well I'm doing some mockups for the Enlightenment project.
Those are semi official: wich means: members of the E project do know I'm doing mockups but it is not clear if they will ever go online as due to the LinuxWorld and Expo on August 2nd the e team is stressed getting things into shape. And due to a lack of developers/documenter, etc. It's a tough time. Thus, me coming up with a redesign of e.org is just a bad moment.
Anyway.
Here are my mockups so far.
Series I ( well some userfriendly ness but too many colors I guess )
e.web.scatch.pre1.jpg [95K]
e.web.scatch.pre2.jpg [97K]
e.web.scatch.pre3.jpg [117K]
e.web.scatch.pre4.jpg [120K]
e.web.scatch.pre5.jpg [120K]
Series II ( more corporate looking )
e.web.scatch.pre6.jpg [59K] | e.web.scatch.pre6.png [89K]
e.web.scatch.pre7.jpg [60K] | e.web.scatch.pre7.png [101K]
Want to see how such a thing looks in gimp?
Series I
enlightenment.web.xcf.bz2 [158K]
Series II
enlightenment.web2.xcf.bz2 [134K]
This is all copyright by me. ( should be obvious. but I know a few people don't seem to know what copyright means and where it applies. )
except the e material as logo, screenshots, and portions of the text.
if you want to use it. feel free to contact me at [URL=mailto:moritzDOTangermannMAPSatONgmailDOTcom]via email[/URL]
kindest regards,
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neofeed: Wow! Series II is absolutely AMAZING! I don't like the first one too much, but the second is absolutely marvellous.
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