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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to corrupt the window decorations on Enlightenment when enabled.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed the Xorg cvs ebuild and it seems to be quite stable. But when I use the Composite extension and start an application that uses it the whole screen freezes and X segfaults (I can still ssh into my box).
The Xorg log only says that it segfaulted :(

Has anyone experienced the same (I'm using the open source ati drivers) or something like that?

Hope that they don't include the Composite extensions like this in the final release. They should really work for everyone.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just wanted to say there is an ebuild for xorg-x11 6.7.99.2 in portage

I've just compiled it and replaced the keybord driver "Keyboard" with "kbd" and it's running (nvidia drivers).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lolo- wrote:
just wanted to say there is an ebuild for xorg-x11 6.7.99.2 in portage


I've just compiled it and replaced the keybord driver "Keyboard" with "kbd" and it's running (nvidia drivers).
For those who want to try it out, you have to unmask it first:
# touch /etc/portage/package.unmask
# echo ">=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.99.2" >> /etc/portage/package.unmask[/code] I just started the emerge a while ago and the source tarball is about 47% downloaded...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does this support true transparancy now? If so, how would I get it to work? Gnome-terminal still just shows the wallpaper, and not mozilla/whatever program is running behind it.

Help!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Does anyone know how big this is uncompressed (straight from cvs) , as I didn't know about the ebuild and am doing it by hand from a cvs checkout, and it has been running for ages. Currently it has done 250Mb - Is it nearly done?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ratbert90 wrote:
So does this support true transparancy now? If so, how would I get it to work? Gnome-terminal still just shows the wallpaper, and not mozilla/whatever program is running behind it.

Help!


That has to do with gnome-terminal, not X, but yes it does support true alpha-blending now.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peaceable Frood wrote:
ratbert90 wrote:
So does this support true transparancy now? If so, how would I get it to work? Gnome-terminal still just shows the wallpaper, and not mozilla/whatever program is running behind it.

Help!


That has to do with gnome-terminal, not X, but yes it does support true alpha-blending now.


and how would I impliment it?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean?

To get true transparency, you need to be running something that uses the composite extension. One example is xcompmgr from fd.o, but apparently Metacity has some kind of built-in composite support in 2.7 and beyond if earlier posts are correct (or did I misunderstand?).

After that, gnome-terminal would need to be made transparent somehow. I assume you could do this one of two ways. The first way is that you can set the transparency of the entire window with something like transset from fd.o. However, that's probably not what you want.

I suspect that if the terminal portion of gnome-terminal was rewritten to support 32 bit ARGB color instead of the old transparency hackery, you could get something like the current terminal that displays actual windows behind it. However, it's not as simple as flipping a switch.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you can do it now, sort of, make sure you have the composite extension enabled in your xorg.conf, install xcompmgr from the Freedesktop.org CVS, and also grab transset from the CVS too. Then start xcompmgr, and then transset and click on the terminal window, and then you end up with something like this
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone gotten this to work well with nvidia and xcompmgr? It's to slow to be usable, vesa is faster but still not fast enough and it crashes for me. Its probaly slow since its still development, but just checking to see other people experiences with the nvidia driver.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it with the nvidia driver.

It was okay in terms of speed. Only a little slower than base X11.

However, it causes visual artifacts in lots of stuff, and crashes a lot. It instantly crashed when I tried to run konqueror and I've heard it dies on anything KDE.

Out of curiosity, do you have the experimental render acceleration on in the nvidia drivers? That might help the speed for xcompmgr.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sfcfagwdse wrote:
Has anyone gotten this to work well with nvidia and xcompmgr? It's to slow to be usable, vesa is faster but still not fast enough and it crashes for me. Its probaly slow since its still development, but just checking to see other people experiences with the nvidia driver.
I have it working with nvidia 6111 drivers here. It's pretty nice. I still have no idea how to enable or use transparency and other cool eye-candy, but it sure as hell feels much snappier...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dolio wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you have the experimental render acceleration on in the nvidia drivers? That might help the speed for xcompmgr.


No...I dont know. Tell me more please :D

btw without xcompmgr turned on everything works fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/README.txt:

Quote:
Option "RenderAccel" "boolean"
Enable or disable hardware acceleration of the RENDER
extension. THIS OPTION IS EXPERIMENTAL. ENABLE IT AT YOUR
OWN RISK. There is no correctness test suite for the
RENDER extension so NVIDIA can not verify that RENDER
acceleration works correctly. Default: hardware
acceleration of the RENDER extension is disabled.


Is this what you mean by experimental render acceleration?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dkenn that must be it cause it made a HUGE difference. Thanks, everything is very fast now.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Is it just me or does this compile insanly fast?? Mine (2400XP with 256Mb RAM) took less than 30 laps of the Grand Prix!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Hardware accelleration option made all the difference. Now if it just stopped scrambling all pixmaps and locking up my system, then we'd be in business. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sfcfagwdse: Glad to hear it's working well now.

As far as I know, xcompmgr gets individual windows through the composite extention, and then uses render to blend them together. That's why you need render acceleration (don't know how that works) to make it passibly fast.

What widgets and so on are you using, and do you see the visual artifacts and stuff?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone managed to get it working with NVidia? It breaks xpm's and text in fluxbox :( Moreover I can't use vesa with this version
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone know if XDamage is an extension you have to specificaly enable?

Cuz that's kinda nifty too ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got it working with nvidia, at least as much as it does work. It breaks text in fluxbox and causes shearing in firefox when scrolling, for me. If you're brave enough to try, you'll want to follow the instructions at http://ruinaudio.com/xorg-cvs-howto.txt to get the latest sources and build them... and then make sure that, if you have an nvidia card, the RenderAccel option is enabled. You can start X and run xcompmgr -cf to test it out... You can keep tabs on the development by subscribing the xorg mailing list or hanging out in #freedesktop on freenode.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xcompmgr uses composite, damage and fixes, I think, so all you should have to enable is composite. Damage, fixes and the others are on by default.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dolio wrote:
xcompmgr uses composite, damage and fixes, I think, so all you should have to enable is composite. Damage, fixes and the others are on by default.


Yes. Just add an extensions section to your xorg.conf, like so:

Code:
        Section "Extensions"
                Option  "Composite"     "Enable"
        EndSection


The composite extension is built by default, so it shouldn't be necessary to modify your host.def before compiling, at least for that particular reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dkenn wrote:
If you're brave enough to try, you'll want to follow the instructions at http://ruinaudio.com/xorg-cvs-howto.txt to get the latest sources and build them...


That's exactly what I did. I tried commenting on the bugs mentioned above (just to say that i've got the same) but didn't manage to register :( freedesktop's bugzilla didn't send me password.
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