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| Well, my system worked for more than a year with all my settings. It started when I was forced to update my system: gs-sources vanished for gentoo-sources, upgrade to Xorg and new nvidia-drivers that work also for 2.6.x. So I am quite sure, that it is *not* a hardware problem. |
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grenouille
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ok I tried something. I fire up my comp, enter gnome, launch some apps (xterm, gkrellm, rox, firefox, xchat and azureus).
I switch to console using alt ctrl f1, and then I go away for some time.
When I god back, system was crashed, a big load of text a noob like me can't understand, and at the end something like "kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt handler"
Someone knows what that means? |
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ikaro
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its the BSOD in linux.
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schmittchen.de
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: Have you tried NOLAPIC? |
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Hi you desparate folks,
I think I had the same probs as you on a Centrino Laptop (Asus M6800M). Random freezes in all places. As I rushed through this lengthy thread I saw that you have tried the "noapic" bootparameter already with no success. I saw the very same behavior, i.e. the freezes continued to occur.
Until I tried the nolapic parameter.
Now I haven't got any freezes for an uptime of more than 48 hours with heavy compiling (emerge --update world).
I'm happy again.
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ikaro
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And would you like to describe what the nolapic boot param does ? and how that is related to xorg, the nvidia drivers, and the other effects mentioned by others ?
thank you.
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schmittchen.de
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject: Explanation of nolapic |
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Hi ikaro,
| Quote: | | And would you like to describe what the nolapic boot param does ? and how that is related to xorg, the nvidia drivers, and the other effects mentioned by others ? |
Answering your 1st question:
The "NOLAPIC" boot parameters disables the Local Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controler (= APIC) of your cpu.
A more thorough description is here.
Answering your 2nd question:
I don't know (just like anybody else around here...) I only know, that this did the trick for me. And not only with gentoo. I had the same problem with a ubuntu installation.
cu,
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ikaro
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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one last question:
are you using the nvidia drivers ?
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schmittchen.de
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:42 am Post subject: |
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[...Ooops, seems that my reply yesterday didn't make it into the thread...]
| Quote: | are you using the nvidia drivers ?
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No. I 've got a Mobility Radeon 9600 (M10) and using the kernel ati-drivers. But there is one thing that indicates that I might had another kind of problem than you: I got those freezes without starting X as well.
Sorry, that I didn't read all the posts as thoroughly as I should have. Didn't want to mislead anyone.
Bye,
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ikaro
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sure im on it, but is it nvidias fault or xorg or something else ?
not a single developer posted in this thread, that shows how much importance they put into this.
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grenouille
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grenouille $ uptime
22:06:17 up 2 days, 1:49
Dunno if this is important or not, but I have not the freeze problem under pekwm... Though if I go to gnome, I'll be crashed in no time as always.
The only difference between pek and gnome for me, is that I use an xterm on pek, and a gnome term with false transparency on gnome... Could it be that the false transparency has something to do with it? Or something used by gnome 2.8? Like a process or something? |
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marco.azzali
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: AMD64 ASUS laptop, with NVIDIA GeforceFX 5650 |
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Hi,
I have an AMD64 ASUS laptop, with NVIDIA GeforceFX 5650
I emerged xorg, nvidia-glx and kde; the graphic environment starts but it's very unstable, it never runs for more than 10 minutes. it freezes the PC and I have to power off; in 90% of times I can still move the mouse but I can't click anything. Keyboard is unresponsive.
I tried with non-portage nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com , with the same results.
Someone told me to try disabling agpgart in kernel configuration and enable direct nvidia agp communication. The problem remains identical.
Kernel is 2.6.9-r9 kernel
I'm very sad.. 
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=265784 |
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ikaro
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welcome aboard.
Since we are reaching so many users, shouldnt we start a movement against xorg-x11/nvidia ? 
lets all use XFREE and ATi instead.
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joehni
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Folks,
after recompiling the kernel with preemptive flag off, I was able to start and stop glxgears and all the OpenGL screensavers without a problem. As usual I've tested this with with twm, so I am quite sure that neither gnome nor KDE is involved.
Caution: For toggling preemptive I needed a mrproper. Otherwise you'll end up with a lot of modules with unresolved externals. |
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iarwain
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Add me to victims list.
I'm having this problem too. I had it a long time ago, it disappeared and now it's back again. My config:
- ASUS A7V KT133
- NVIDIA GeForce 256 DDR
- nvidia-kernel 6111-r3 & nvidia-glx 6111
- gentoo-sources 2.4.26-r9
- xorg 6.7.0-r3
My system's uptime is normally ~5 days.
The last time it happened 1 hour ago: i was playing a video in xine. I only could move the mouse. I ssh'd from another machine, "killall -9 xine" and obviously xine was closed. gkrellm and other apps continue running as usual. I killed all them one by one, but nothing changed. I finally had to do a "killall X" .
I'm fed up of this bug. I hate it. It's an old bug, and i'm pretty sure that it's nvidia's fault. As I use my machine for working and watching videos/dvds, I even have disabled AGP. Nothing's changed. If I use the "nv" driver it doesn't happen.
As suggested some pages before, i'm going to get down my nvidia's both memory and core clocks (with nvclock). Defaults are correct to the user's manual, but... who knows. I'll tell you if it works.
Help us nvidia/xorg developers, you are our only hope! |
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iarwain
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| joehni wrote: | Folks,
after recompiling the kernel with preemptive flag off, I was able to start and stop glxgears... |
I've always had Preemptible Kernel off. I can run glxgears and GL programms without problems. I can't predict when it's gonna happen. 2 days ago it happened when I was at the university and my computer was in idle state. No gl programs running. I've started having nightmares about this. |
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grenouille
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ikaro wrote: | welcome aboard.
Since we are reaching so many users, shouldnt we start a movement against xorg-x11/nvidia ?
lets all use XFREE and ATi instead.
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iirc, I switched to xorg first because I had a similar problem... but as I switched wm at the same time, maybe I didn't see the problem was still there |
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bunder
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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its not an ATI or NVIDIA specific problem though... look at my post on the previous page listing all the variables. (this list is not complete, and feel free to pm me with any corrections)
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marco.azzali
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Satistic |
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Why there isn't one single post by gentoo developers in this thread ?
Maybe they know the reason and they don't want to say ?
Is it possible to make a statistic and have the percentage of users that ran into this problem ?
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Has anybody tried with X.org 6.8.1? It's not in Portage, but is shown as the latest release on the x.org site.
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gspr
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Satistic |
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| marco.azzali wrote: | Why there isn't one single post by gentoo developers in this thread ?
Maybe they know the reason and they don't want to say ?
Is it possible to make a statistic and have the percentage of users that ran into this problem ?
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Bullshit. While the fault may be in X.org, neither X.org or Gentoo devs carry any responsibility for fixing this. The responsibility rests solely on nVidia for as long as they insist on only providing non-free drivers.
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iarwain
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Satistic |
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| marco.azzali wrote: |
Maybe they know the reason and they don't want to say ?
Marco |
What?? That's absurd. Gentoo developers are not like that.
By the way, if the problem is for both ATI and Nvidia, then maybe it's a GLX related problem. Enabling "nv" driver=disabling GLX. And this works like a charm. Are there any card users who are having this problem? |
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grenouille
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Satistic |
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| gspr wrote: | | marco.azzali wrote: | Why there isn't one single post by gentoo developers in this thread ?
Maybe they know the reason and they don't want to say ?
Is it possible to make a statistic and have the percentage of users that ran into this problem ?
Marco |
Bullshit. While the fault may be in X.org, neither X.org or Gentoo devs carry any responsibility for fixing this. The responsibility rests solely on nVidia for as long as they insist on only providing non-free drivers. |
yea right, ATI cards users use nvidia drivers... ok. |
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| 4 days uptime, and kaboom! It died again... *sigh*... Maybe it's time to move onto another distro... |
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