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zerojay
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| nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | Dude, seriously, as a sysadmin, you have to trust your users at least a little bit. You can't just always pry into what they are doing. If you think she is doing something to fuck up your box, I fully agree with you wanting to know what she is up to, but if all she's doing is browsing the web, just leave her be and let her have her privacy. Believe me, she'll eventually find out that you're trying to spy on her and that loss of trust is something you will probably never get back for the rest of your life from her. Maybe she has a blog or LiveJournal or something. Really, would you like having someone watching everything you do?
If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. That's not a big deal. Really, she could do a hell of a lot worse than that. |
Leave him alone. you are way over doing this moral stuff she's not going to hate him for life, its his sister, have you ever watched the simpsons ? or and family sitcom for that matter. me and my sister did tons of stuff to each other and now we are very good friends. messing with each other is part of being a sibling. an frankly this is way off topic and not the place for making moral judgements either thats for the otw section. |
You're both yellow and have four fingers and resolve every conflict in 22 minutes, huh? Must be nice.
If I had any huge moral objections wouldn't I be on his side on keeping his sister from looking at porn in the first place?
I'm just saying that if you think your sister's doing something bad on your machine, simply don't let her use it then. Since I doubt she's really trying to do something extremely bad like get the box hacked or something along those lines, she can't be doing anything all that bad (from a sysadmin point of view). Spying on her activities isn't going to do anything good for either of you. |
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VladP12
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Here is the update now.
First of all my sister is 11 and way too young to look at P**N.
I set up an account for her so we will see what will happen.
I already dont trust her because she LIES to her teachers, parents and me. and because she lies to every1 nobody trusts her.
Tnx for the tip on eg squid  
We will see what will happen in the next week or 2 and i will get back to u guys. |
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zerojay
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha.. 11. For some reason, I had the idea that she was older than you, like maybe 18 or something. |
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aesthesia
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| Not going to lie, I find it amusing that someone named "DarkStalker" is advocating privacy rights......haha |
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trossachs
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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VladP12, why do you use the ** in the word Porn? Is this some swear word listed in the States now by George W. Bush or something? How old is your sister and why should she tell you what she is doing?
I tell you, if you ever make the Sys Admin grade, you are going to have to cut your users some slack else you could be very unpopular, even with YOUR BOSS. When you query your syster about your concerns what does she say? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| DarkStalker wrote: | | nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | Dude, seriously, as a sysadmin, you have to trust your users at least a little bit. You can't just always pry into what they are doing. If you think she is doing something to fuck up your box, I fully agree with you wanting to know what she is up to, but if all she's doing is browsing the web, just leave her be and let her have her privacy. Believe me, she'll eventually find out that you're trying to spy on her and that loss of trust is something you will probably never get back for the rest of your life from her. Maybe she has a blog or LiveJournal or something. Really, would you like having someone watching everything you do?
If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. That's not a big deal. Really, she could do a hell of a lot worse than that. |
Leave him alone. you are way over doing this moral stuff she's not going to hate him for life, its his sister, have you ever watched the simpsons ? or and family sitcom for that matter. me and my sister did tons of stuff to each other and now we are very good friends. messing with each other is part of being a sibling. an frankly this is way off topic and not the place for making moral judgements either thats for the otw section. |
You're both yellow and have four fingers and resolve every conflict in 22 minutes, huh? Must be nice.
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Im just pointing out you are making a big deal out of something and having ago at someone and neglecting that fact that its two kids, and they are brother and sister and doing what brothers and sisters do 
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. |
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If I had any huge moral objections wouldn't I be on his side on keeping his sister from looking at porn |
you should keep your ideallogical arguments in the correct place and get your facts before you make em then you wouldn't have to back peddle whilst trying to save face..
Seems to me like you just wanted to find fault in someone...
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VladP12
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| nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | | nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | Dude, seriously, as a sysadmin, you have to trust your users at least a little bit. You can't just always pry into what they are doing. If you think she is doing something to fuck up your box, I fully agree with you wanting to know what she is up to, but if all she's doing is browsing the web, just leave her be and let her have her privacy. Believe me, she'll eventually find out that you're trying to spy on her and that loss of trust is something you will probably never get back for the rest of your life from her. Maybe she has a blog or LiveJournal or something. Really, would you like having someone watching everything you do?
If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. That's not a big deal. Really, she could do a hell of a lot worse than that. |
Leave him alone. you are way over doing this moral stuff she's not going to hate him for life, its his sister, have you ever watched the simpsons ? or and family sitcom for that matter. me and my sister did tons of stuff to each other and now we are very good friends. messing with each other is part of being a sibling. an frankly this is way off topic and not the place for making moral judgements either thats for the otw section. |
You're both yellow and have four fingers and resolve every conflict in 22 minutes, huh? Must be nice.
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Im just pointing out you are making a big deal out of something and having ago at someone and neglecting that fact that its two kids, and they are brother and sister and doing what brothers and sisters do
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. |
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If I had any huge moral objections wouldn't I be on his side on keeping his sister from looking at porn |
you should keep your ideallogical arguments in the correct place and get your facts before you make em then you wouldn't have to back peddle whilst trying to save face..
Seems to me like you just wanted to find fault in someone... |
couldnt have said it better myself 
And im doing this to prove that my sister is misusing her privilage of using the web, u have to be like 20 to look at porn and shes 9 years below that age restriction. SHES 11 AND LOOKING AT PORN FOR LIKE 3 HOURS A DAY!!!!
PS: I asked my dad to try and get the history today after she was on again, and there where 3 porn sites with weman,1 site with men, and one site for something called, Vore? I believe (Things swallowing things i think). She just got banned from all 4 of our pcs at home (1gaming pc, 2laptops, and my dads working pc) for a month. Good thing her school aint got computers with internet on them |
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Zepp
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| aesthesia wrote: | | Not going to lie, I find it amusing that someone named "DarkStalker" is advocating privacy rights......haha |
I found that amusing aswell hehe.
Anyway both sides kinda have a point she shouldn't be going to porn sites id say when she is only 11 and if it's a matter of looking out more for her sake then trying to spy or dig up dirt on her then alright. But you shouldn't be trying to get her in trouble on purpose or forcefully prying into her personal life without at least talking to her yourself first |
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trossachs
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| DarkStalker for your information and for the others, I have 3 toes and 2 stabilizers on each foot; (they help me maintain my balance during a hurricane). And all conflicts actually get resolved within 24 minutes, not 22. However, this is 2 more than I would like mind, but nonetheless, I pride myself on this achievement. thank you. |
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VladP12
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| Zepp wrote: | | aesthesia wrote: | | Not going to lie, I find it amusing that someone named "DarkStalker" is advocating privacy rights......haha |
I found that amusing aswell hehe.
Anyway both sides kinda have a point she shouldn't be going to porn sites id say when she is only 11 and if it's a matter of looking out more for her sake then trying to spy or dig up dirt on her then alright. But you shouldn't be trying to get her in trouble on purpose or forcefully prying into her personal life without at least talking to her yourself first |
I talked to her several times and she still continues to look at porn and lie to every1. I dont get whats wrong with her. Is she a porn addict? Why does she lie about everything? Why did she start looking at porn in the first place? How and where did she find it?
I need answers   |
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| You know what these young kids are like. Think of when you were her age and if you had the net in your house. What would you be looking at or experimenting with? I know what I'd be doing. |
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SZwarts
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Pure on a technical level (the social way is much better to solve problems like this, but I was intriged by the problem) you can use keep track of the history file by using "tail -f"
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then every new line in the history file is added to keepingtrack
even if you erase thehistoryfileofyourbrowser completely and starting lines again.
No need for complicated packages if you can do it by scripting. (This is assuming your webbrowsers keeps updating the history file of course)
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zerojay
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| VladP12 wrote: | | nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | | nyteryda wrote: | | DarkStalker wrote: | Dude, seriously, as a sysadmin, you have to trust your users at least a little bit. You can't just always pry into what they are doing. If you think she is doing something to fuck up your box, I fully agree with you wanting to know what she is up to, but if all she's doing is browsing the web, just leave her be and let her have her privacy. Believe me, she'll eventually find out that you're trying to spy on her and that loss of trust is something you will probably never get back for the rest of your life from her. Maybe she has a blog or LiveJournal or something. Really, would you like having someone watching everything you do?
If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. That's not a big deal. Really, she could do a hell of a lot worse than that. |
Leave him alone. you are way over doing this moral stuff she's not going to hate him for life, its his sister, have you ever watched the simpsons ? or and family sitcom for that matter. me and my sister did tons of stuff to each other and now we are very good friends. messing with each other is part of being a sibling. an frankly this is way off topic and not the place for making moral judgements either thats for the otw section. |
You're both yellow and have four fingers and resolve every conflict in 22 minutes, huh? Must be nice.
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Im just pointing out you are making a big deal out of something and having ago at someone and neglecting that fact that its two kids, and they are brother and sister and doing what brothers and sisters do
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If all she's doing is looking at porn, just leave her be. |
| DarkStalker wrote: | | If I had any huge moral objections wouldn't I be on his side on keeping his sister from looking at porn |
you should keep your ideallogical arguments in the correct place and get your facts before you make em then you wouldn't have to back peddle whilst trying to save face..
Seems to me like you just wanted to find fault in someone... |
couldnt have said it better myself
And im doing this to prove that my sister is misusing her privilage of using the web, u have to be like 20 to look at porn and shes 9 years below that age restriction. SHES 11 AND LOOKING AT PORN FOR LIKE 3 HOURS A DAY!!!!
PS: I asked my dad to try and get the history today after she was on again, and there where 3 porn sites with weman,1 site with men, and one site for something called, Vore? I believe (Things swallowing things i think). She just got banned from all 4 of our pcs at home (1gaming pc, 2laptops, and my dads working pc) for a month. Good thing her school aint got computers with internet on them |
Seriously, you need to get over yourself. I wasn't making any personal attacks against the guy, I was just simply stating that something like that probably isn't a good idea, because I assumed that his sister was at least old enough to be looking at the stuff to begin with. I wouldn't allow an 11 year old kid to use the internet unsupervised whatsoever. Neither should he. I'm not trying to find fault with anyone, but I think we've just established who is the one at fault here, the parents of any 11 year old to use the net without being supervised. OH NOEZ, IT'S A PERSONAL ATTACKZ! |
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zerojay
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| aesthesia wrote: | | Not going to lie, I find it amusing that someone named "DarkStalker" is advocating privacy rights......haha |
Hehe.. I hadn't thought about that.  |
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Great thread. Sex, lies, religion, and politics all in one place.
If I was VladP12's dad, I'd ban him, not his sister (for emoticon abuse, apart from anything else), then check the history again after a few days |
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VladP12
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| JulesF wrote: | | You know what these young kids are like. Think of when you were her age and if you had the net in your house. What would you be looking at or experimenting with? I know what I'd be doing. |
Hey if ur a pervert then u do what ever you want.
Id never ever in my entire life will go on a porn site.
Im bz enoght right now. Developing mods 1 hour a day. School 6 hours a day. Tennis 2 hours a day. Occasional modding or making maps for 2 hours if there is no Kung-Fu practice |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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You are using gentoo and still bigginer. Whats the f**k
15 and using laptop...... nothing
so as any one say make single account for your sister(i thing that she can't search for worst things then you:))
>>kdm make easy login
you must make solution be polite linux user or evil spy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| VladP12 wrote: | | We will see what will happen in the next week or 2 and i will get back to u guys. |
And I guess that those who implied that it was not right to spy on your sister will be the first to want to know what she's been up to |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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And I guess that those who implied that it was not right to spy on your sister will be the first to want to know what she's been up to |
yes who never want to know "secrets" but i will never ask on any !!!LINUX!!! forum.
its something like ask how can i look at girls in school shower on school question board. Funny but it cant mean anybody seriously.
(and answer like "i canl't use man it is so difficult" make me angry) |
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| tff wrote: | yes who never want to know "secrets" but i will never ask on any !!!LINUX!!! forum.
its something like ask how can i look at girls in school shower on school question board. |
So you would ask about how to spy on your sister using Gentoo in a school forum, and ask how to look at the girls in the shower in the Gentoo forums then? |
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| VladP12 wrote: | I talked to her several times and she still continues to look at porn and lie to every1. I dont get whats wrong with her. Is she a porn addict? Why does she lie about everything? Why did she start looking at porn in the first place? How and where did she find it?
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| VladP12 wrote: | Hey if ur a pervert then u do what ever you want.
Id never ever in my entire life will go on a porn site.
Im bz enoght right now. Developing mods 1 hour a day. School 6 hours a day. Tennis 2 hours a day. Occasional modding or making maps for 2 hours if there is no Kung-Fu practice |
Hey man maybe you've just found where is the REAL matter ... Yes, there must be a reason for behaving this way ... could it be her big bro' is too perfect and she can't compete with him so she go the "wrong way" to make her parents notice her presence ?
I'm not here to give you answers, to make a judgment or something, but just to point out something : a bash script will never solve human problems (neither interdictions, to me, but your parents are educating their children the way they want to).
So instead of spying and punishing her, maybe that could be a good idea to find the reason of this behaving, and not to scream things like "oh lord, is my sister a sick and weird porn addict ? How can this be as I am so pure ?". such bigotry won't help her. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| VladP12 wrote: | | Id never ever in my entire life will go on a porn site. |
Sure
This evil porn seems to corrupting everyone - I guess I'll have to go check some out.
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Ok, I've put on my helmet and my armour is in good condition..... cause I know that your answer will possibly be made of stone! I used to do my practice for the university as a sys-admin in a network in my country, they used to have a proggy called something like wetboy, or netboy... I really don't remember. This proggy, was showing in real time the connection of each PC to any url, in a graphical way of a node (the PC) to other nodes (the corresponding sites). It used the DNS to present the ip addresses as sites (if applicable) too. Now, after 6 years, they called me to migrate their network backbone to linux, and also the sys-admin mainframe. They insist that a program like the one mentioned above must be present, and this is actually a criteria for me to get the job. Do you have any in mind?
(P.S. The reason I'm posting here is because this is a way to spy on people, whether I approve it or not)
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