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zinion Guru
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 541 Location: Ruhgebietshausen
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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They will only take notice of dollars (and euros and punds and ...)
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jyxent n00b
Joined: 16 Dec 2002 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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I would move over to 64-bit in a heartbeat if they released their drivers for AMD64 next month. I have a Emachines M6809. I've been thinking hard about it anyways, considering the poor performance & lack of support for xorg 6.8. I guess I should've done more research before buying my laptop. Oh well, hopefully I'll get support for 64-bit someday.
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Galahad Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 126
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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ATI has never cared much about drivers, be it windows or linux. With linux they only suck a little more.
Everybody who uses linux and buys a ATI card should be shot . |
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Mythos l33t
Joined: 02 May 2004 Posts: 953 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:40 am Post subject: |
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http://r300.sourceforge.net
it's a start _________________ Best Regards,
Sérgio Henrique
Linux dune 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:47:29 WEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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Wampas n00b
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Galahad wrote: | ATI has never cared much about drivers, be it windows or linux. With linux they only suck a little more.
Everybody who uses linux and buys a ATI card should be shot . |
Well, i love nvidia and always had nvidia before i get a mobile computer (see my sig at the bottom). When it comes to mobile and power management ATI is better for both performance and power management from what i know of. This mobile card (mobility 9700) still surprises me for both Linux native games (UT2k4 and ET are incredibly smooth) and windows (i kept a windows boot on laptop :s
Only issues i have are with winex/cedega porting windows games, and only with that. It looks more like winex/cedega/transgaming dev's are responsible for ATI issues, as far as i am concerned. So i just keep windows boot on laptop if i need to play a game that wouldnt work under linux. _________________ Fujitsu Amilo 1425 | P-M725 dothan @1.60Ghz | Intel i855PM | 80GB ATA8MB | Radeon Mobility 9700 128M | Intel AC'97 | 512MB
XP1800+ | MSI KT3 Ultra | Leadtek GF4 TI4200 64MB @ 300/550 | AC'97 | 40GB | 1GB DDR
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AnXa Apprentice
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 250
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Only in your dreams...
Get nVidia and you get everything and every game wokring out with outstanding speed. If may cost you some, but we all know that good and cheap doesn't exist. _________________ The idea isn't about how do you see or hear it, it's about how do you experience it... |
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malloc l33t
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 762
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm asking this question on behalf of a friend dumb enough to have bought a laptop with an ati card.
He uses the "ati" drivers from xorg 6.8.0 meaning (i think) he won't have any 3d accel. Will there be a big difference on dvd/movie viewing without it??
PS: Don't be dumb like my mate, buy NVidia _________________ --> Linux ### 2.6.11-ck2 #1 Sat Mar 12 20:21:30 WET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <-- |
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Ijo n00b
Joined: 22 Jul 2003 Posts: 68
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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I've got an ATI RV350 [Radeon 9600], and currently suffering the issue of not allowed to move to xorg 6.8 (ati drivers problem). I don't like being under a vendor without commitment.
From this and other messages in the forum looks like nvidia has better support and commitment with the linux community.
I'm looking after the new GeForce 6600 GT AGP8X to run with my Pentium 4 and Linux 2.6.9 + hopefully xorg 6.8.
I've never had nvidia and would like to know if they are good, stable, drivers are updated regulary, etc etc
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wazoo42 Apprentice
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 165
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:27 am Post subject: |
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I don't suppose this is quite the answer you are looking for, but my first thought is: nvidia sure is a hell of a lot better on all of those fronts than ati when it comes to linux. As for whether or not they are good, I think that is fairly subjective, but they do release new linux drivers every 2-3 months. They also have previous experience going for them as far as amd64 is concerned (seeing as you mention a p4 I don't suppose this matters a whole lot to you). |
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infirit l33t
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 778 Location: Hoofddorp / The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Mythos wrote: | http://r300.sourceforge.net
it's a start | Has anybody been brave anough to get this working? I looked at the page but it is to confusing for me what to patch and not or what is already included with Xorg-6.8! If there is a clearer instruction i am happy to try it out and hopefully NOT blow up my ati _________________ EASY TO INSTALL = Difficult to install, but instruction manual has pictures.
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Ijo n00b
Joined: 22 Jul 2003 Posts: 68
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your answer,
wazoo42 wrote: | I don't suppose this is quite the answer you are looking for, but my first thought is: nvidia sure is a hell of a lot better on all of those fronts than ati when it comes to linux. As for whether or not they are good, I think that is fairly subjective, but they do release new linux drivers every 2-3 months. They also have previous experience going for them as far as amd64 is concerned (seeing as you mention a p4 I don't suppose this matters a whole lot to you). |
and regarding P4, I'm seeing Intel getting behind in the 64 space, so I'm also considering going to AMD64 soon.
I've got another question about NVIDIA. I've seen several vendors implement their chips. Which one do you recommend?
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Mythos l33t
Joined: 02 May 2004 Posts: 953 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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So ... we are at December ... Where are those drivers for amd64 _________________ Best Regards,
Sérgio Henrique
Linux dune 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:47:29 WEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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dangertools Apprentice
Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 278 Location: Saalfelden, Austria
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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perhaps we'll get them at X-mas. Such a gift would be nice even if i don't believe in that Santa ATI |
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babo Guru
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 477 Location: Ljubljana
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hehe, well they said december, but did they mention the year? |
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PC_Freak n00b
Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 63
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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babo wrote: | Hehe, well they said december, but did they mention the year? | I thought they did.
And we're only the first of December. Let's hope they finally release them on time this time. |
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jyxent n00b
Joined: 16 Dec 2002 Posts: 15
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I decided to move to 64-bit gentoo anyways. Working pretty nice so far. Hopefully ati will release 64-bit drivers soon.
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drakos7 Apprentice
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 294 Location: Rockville, MD, USA, Earth, Sol
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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still holding my breath ... |
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racoontje Veteran
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1290
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen crappy performance, no Xorg6.8, and promises. Why shouldn't I go for a competitor. Don't give me that stability>performance crap, nvidia has both already... |
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n3x Apprentice
Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 247 Location: Kingston, Ontario (uni) Westport, CT (home)
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I'm about ready to grab myself an nvidia card off of ebay. If I don't have ati drivers come the new year it's over. I'll stick the card in my windows box (it runs reaaaally nicely in windows) and buy myself a nice nvidia card. Gah.
I'll also NEVER buy an ati card EVER again.
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gaz Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 12 Oct 2002 Posts: 126
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: |
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this is the only thing im waiting for before moving over fully to gentoo x86_64, providing cedega has good WoW support |
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Corona688 Veteran
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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AnXa wrote: | Only in your dreams...
Get nVidia and you get everything and every game wokring out with outstanding speed. If may cost you some, but we all know that good and cheap doesn't exist. | My old radeon absolutely dusts my new geforce in terms of performance and stability, because nvidia's old drivers for amd64 absolutely stank, and nvidia's new drivers for amd64 don't even compile on my system. At least for older radeons there is a decent open-source accelerated driver to fall back on.
Also, give 'em a few more days. It's only been a week. _________________ Petition for Better 64-bit ATI Drivers - Sign Here
http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html |
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Brain Fury Guru
Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 357 Location: Düsseldorf (Germany)
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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and the reason I don'T switch to nvidia is simply because my ati card is in a laptop _________________ shift HAPPENS |
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GentooLemming n00b
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 22
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Brain Fury wrote: | and the reason I don'T switch to nvidia is simply because my ati card is in a laptop |
I know that feeling |
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zinion Guru
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 541 Location: Ruhgebietshausen
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Corona688 wrote: | AnXa wrote: | Only in your dreams...
Get nVidia and you get everything and every game wokring out with outstanding speed. If may cost you some, but we all know that good and cheap doesn't exist. | My old radeon absolutely dusts my new geforce in terms of performance and stability, because nvidia's old drivers for amd64 absolutely stank, and nvidia's new drivers for amd64 don't even compile on my system. At least for older radeons there is a decent open-source accelerated driver to fall back on.
Also, give 'em a few more days. It's only been a week. |
Ah excuse what exactly doe you mean has only been a week? _________________ Es ist schön und warm
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Mythos l33t
Joined: 02 May 2004 Posts: 953 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Well ten days have pasted, and i am not emerge ati-driver for amd64 !!!
Well maybe santa claus, will climb my house and get into chimney, and the next day i will wake up with ati-drivers for amd64 (POSIX system).
Well i hope at 25, 2004 ... but the past a told me, that ati-drivers will be release in 2005 and bugy as hell! _________________ Best Regards,
Sérgio Henrique
Linux dune 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:47:29 WEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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