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DrWoland
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 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: So.... I just got through the installation manual... |
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I now have a system that boots to bash and is fully helpless. Do I just need to start emerging stuff like a madman now, or what? Like, do I emerge net-setup? or do I just run dhcpcd? I don't know what to do anymore  I kinda like this uncertainty. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:08 am Post subject: |
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this should keep you busy
Put that in /etc/conf.d/net and emerge dhcpcd if your IP is assigned by dhcp. |
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: |
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I think I emerged dhcpcd in the process of installing. How would I check? |
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evader
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
A fresh gentoo install can be quite daunting at first.
Fear not, the documentation is good!
To check if dhcpd is running:
If it's not in that list, but you want to start it. (Therefore verifying it is installed...)
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/etc/init.d/dhcpd start
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After that, try this:
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ping -c 4 http://www.google.com
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If that fails, try:
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ping -c 4 216.239.37.99
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If that last one succeeds, your /etc/hosts files is probably borked, although if you followed the installl guide it should be ok.
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nano -w /etc/hosts
127.0.0.0 localhost myhostname
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| evader wrote: | Hi,
A fresh gentoo install can be quite daunting at first.
Fear not, the documentation is good!
To check if dhcpd is running:
If it's not in that list, but you want to start it. (Therefore verifying it is installed...)
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/etc/init.d/dhcpd start
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After that, try this:
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ping -c 4 http://www.google.com
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If that fails, try:
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ping -c 4 216.239.37.99
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If that last one succeeds, your /etc/hosts files is probably borked, although if you followed the installl guide it should be ok.
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nano -w /etc/hosts
127.0.0.0 localhost myhostname
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I'm not particularly scared, just last time I installed gentoo WAAY back in the day, I did a Stage3, so it already had all that stuff on there. Just so cool to see it boot in HUGE letters without framebuffer etc  |
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evader
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
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127.0.0.1 I meant. not 127.0.0.0
Sorry.
Hope the previous reply helped anyway.
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evader
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Bah!
Enlightenment. Hold off for DR17 beta's.
Until then yes, set up an X server and then brush up on your command line skills.
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| evader wrote: | Bah!
Enlightenment. Hold off for DR17 beta's.
Until then yes, set up an X server and then brush up on your command line skills. |
What you speak of? |
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:53 am Post subject: |
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How would I test if X is working without having a DE or WM? |
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MonkeyMartin
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:57 am Post subject: |
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you can just use the command
xorg comes with a ugly window manager built in
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evader
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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http://www.enlightenment.org
Enlightenment is a Window Manager. KDE and Gnome are full desktop environments. They take over just about everything and to me feel too bulky. Enlightenment, along with many others (openbox and fluxbox for example) will give you virtual desktops, backgrounds, toolbars etc. Upcoming release is DR17. Some people are using pre release CVS code, but I would hold off for a beta version at least.
It lacks a lot of the functionality and is far more prone to bugs at this stage. DR17 will be extremely sexy. I recommend trying some different window managers/desktop environments to see what you like. Think about what you need and do with your computer.
The stable version of enlightenment are fantastic too. It is based on the 'DR16' tree.
Regarding the X server: the command 'startx' will attempt to run the xserver. As long as you followed the gentoo guides for setting up your graphics card and installing X.org you should be fine.
When it starts up you will be using an ugly, outdated Window Manager.
Good luck,
evader
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| evader wrote: | http://www.enlightenment.org
Enlightenment is a Window Manager. KDE and Gnome are full desktop environments. They take over just about everything and to me feel too bulky. Enlightenment, along with many others (openbox and fluxbox for example) will give you virtual desktops, backgrounds, toolbars etc. Upcoming release is DR17. Some people are using pre release CVS code, but I would hold off for a beta version at least.
It lacks a lot of the functionality and is far more prone to bugs at this stage. DR17 will be extremely sexy. I recommend trying some different window managers/desktop environments to see what you like. Think about what you need and do with your computer.
The stable version of enlightenment are fantastic too. It is based on the 'DR16' tree.
Regarding the X server: the command 'startx' will attempt to run the xserver. As long as you followed the gentoo guides for setting up your graphics card and installing X.org you should be fine.
When it starts up you will be using an ugly, outdated Window Manager.
Good luck,
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Is there a document that compares/contrasts the different WMs? I was thinking WM all the way, mainly cuz I dont feel like compiling KDE. |
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evader
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I havent ever found a comparison of a lot of them sorry.
Enlightenment was recommended to me due to it being lightweight, fast, very skinnable, DR17 (a whole new generation...) on the way.
I haven't had much experience with any others.
Search the forums, there is some good desktop screenshot threads.
You'll notice alot of people use fluxbox too.
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DrWoland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| evader wrote: | I havent ever found a comparison of a lot of them sorry.
Enlightenment was recommended to me due to it being lightweight, fast, very skinnable, DR17 (a whole new generation...) on the way.
I haven't had much experience with any others.
Search the forums, there is some good desktop screenshot threads.
You'll notice alot of people use fluxbox too.
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I'll probably just install both and see Thanks |
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Linuxcalibur
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think my laptop is having problems installing X...
I did "emerge xorg-x11" just like the X Server Configuration HOWTO told me. I know it said it would take a long time, but usually there is all kinds of text scrolling up the screen. Right now, about an hour after I entered the command, there are only 3 lines of text. It's all minus signs followed by text, such as "-D_BSD_SOURCE" and "-D_SVID_SOURCE", and the last one is "-fPIC GetIFocus.c". It's been like this for at least a half-hour and my Caps Lock and Num Lock lights are flashing.
Is it safe to say that my computer is locked up or does this sound normal when installing? My network is working fine, cuz "ping -c 4 216.239.37.99" worked (but pinging google didn't).
Any ideas? Let me know if you need any more info to figure it out. TIA[/code]
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: X emerging problems? I don't think so. |
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| Linuxcalibur wrote: | I think my laptop is having problems installing X...
I did "emerge xorg-x11" just like the X Server Configuration HOWTO told me. |
Then you should not be in any trouble yet.  | Linuxcalibur wrote: | | I know it said it would take a long time, |
What's the specs of your machine? Maybe some of us can take you how many hours it will take to compile X on your machine. | Linuxcalibur wrote: | but usually there is all kinds of text scrolling up the screen. Right now, about an hour after I entered the command, there are only 3 lines of text. It's all minus signs followed by text, such as "-D_BSD_SOURCE" and "-D_SVID_SOURCE", and the last one is "-fPIC GetIFocus.c". It's been like this for at least a half-hour and my Caps Lock and Num Lock lights are flashing.
Is it safe to say that my computer is locked up or does this sound normal when installing? |
Wait at least a 3 to 4 hours, or until the text stops scrolling by. That's your compiler doing its job! | Linuxcalibur wrote: | | My network is working fine, |
Congratulations! | LInuxcalibur wrote: | | cuz "ping -c 4 216.239.37.99" worked (but pinging google didn't). |
Not surprising since many if not all of the popular web sites block ping network packets, for fear of being the target of Denial of Service attacks by being overwhelmed with pings. | Linuxcalibur wrote: | | Any ideas? Let me know if you need any more info to figure it out. TIA |
You're welcome!
Hope you can get used to doing things the Gentoo Way. 
[EDIT]Are you able to ping google successfully when in Windows? If yes, there's a problem with your DNS name server configuration. Post back here if that's the case. |
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Linuxcalibur
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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I posted back at 10 AM, so it's 2.5 hours later. The same three lines of text haven't moved. That makes it 3 hours since any change, 3.5 hours since I entered "emerge xorg-x11". My laptop is a 1 GHz PIII with 256 MB RAM. It's a pretty quiet computer, so I'm not sure if its doing anything or not.
I'm actually posting from a different computer, because there is no other OS on there. So I'm not sure about the DNS thing. Is there any other way to test that? Of course, there's no way to do so at the moment, unless I reboot the computer before it finishes whatever it's doing. If it is doing something, that is.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Linuxcalibur wrote: | | It's been like this for at least a half-hour and my Caps Lock and Num Lock lights are flashing. |
The flashing lights indicate a kernel panic.
You will need to do a hard reboot, and then try to figure out what went wrong (if the fan was quiet, maybe the CPU overheated). |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| DrWoland wrote: | | ....mainly cuz I dont feel like compiling KDE. |
you should also take a look at xfce4
it is lightweight and easy to use. for file managment i use rox. |
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pjp
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Moved from Installing Gentoo.
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