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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alienvenom wrote:
I too am having major problems. I used the ebuild posted here a couple times from rage3d forums.

First boot, the screen went blank. And I had to manually restart my computer.

Second time it worked, but no "real" OpenGL accelleration. The GL screensavers run really slowly.

I followed the instructions in the gentoo-wiki. I tried creating a X config with fglrconfig (or whatever its called) but that caused things to crash the same.

I have an ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 in my laptop. Hopefully someone can post a config that worked with similar hardware...

Can you post the error messages from your /var/log/X.org.log? I mentioned earlier that things might go wrong if you use the fglrxconfig because it mistakenly calls the keyboard driver "Keyboard"
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently having troubles with starting Xorg with these drivers.

I'm using Xorg 6.7.0, it seems to moan about some composite extension?

Quote:
Symbol fbGetWinPrivateIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetPixmapIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbGetWinPrivateIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetPixmapIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol noCompositeExtension from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol noCompositeExtension from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved!
*** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
*** be the reason for the server aborting.

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11. Server aborting


Anyone got any ideas as to why its doing this? I cannot see any "composite" parameter in my xorg.conf!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

forceflow2 wrote:
Can you post the error messages from your /var/log/X.org.log? I mentioned earlier that things might go wrong if you use the fglrxconfig because it mistakenly calls the keyboard driver "Keyboard"



I think I may have just figured it out. I'm getting hundreds of errors similar to this:

rmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK)
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 5
drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card1
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)


I think I need to recompile DRM, or somehow do something with it. Do I have to turn it on in the kernel? What do I have to do?

If I recompile it, and want to use the new drivers, what do I put as VIDEO_CARDS="" in make.conf?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything's up and working here. I used the fglrxconfig util, then fixed the keyboard bit, then once I was in X I copied the changed portions of my old one over (stuff about my fontpaths, my mx500 mouse and such).

glxgears scores are ~100 fps lower than before, but the system feels a little more responsive overall in 2D at least (I *think*... might be placebo).

In any case, it's nice not to have xorg-6.8 masked and to be able to follow updates on it now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

now THAT'S weird!

while my Xorg.0.log tells me DRI was successfully activated, glxinfo tells me it's deactivated!

Xorg.0.log
Quote:
(**) fglrx(0): DPMS enabled
(II) fglrx(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
Screen to screen bit blits
Solid filled rectangles
8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
Solid Lines
Dashed Lines
Offscreen Pixmaps
Setting up tile and stipple cache:
22 128x128 slots
(II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled
(II) fglrx(0): X context handle = 0x00000001
(II) fglrx(0): [DRI] installation complete
(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled


glxinfo
Quote:
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: No
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
GLX extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIS_multisample
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture,
GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow,
GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp,
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar,
GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat,
GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra,
GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_logic_op,
GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint,
GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord,
GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters,
GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color,
GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs,
GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture,
GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp,
GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object,
GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels,
GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once,
GL_ATIX_texture_env_combine3, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat,
GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture,
GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp,
GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow,
GL_SGIX_shadow_ambient, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x23 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x24 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x25 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x26 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x27 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x28 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x29 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2a 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2b 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x2c 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x2d 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x2e 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x2f 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x30 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x31 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x32 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None


and on top of that, everything i write in Xterm is black. at first i thought there was nothing shown at all, cause my background color is black, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Status of what I've tried so far:

Code:

* Used the posted ebuild (from rage forums) to compile/install the driver
* changed "Keyboard" to "kbd" in config file
* ran "opengl-update ati"
* Detects the card correctly:
  (--) Chipset RADEON 9800 XT (R360 4E4A) found
* Attempted to get working with InternalAGPGart "yes" - No luck here,
  the desktop will come up, but machine will hard lock after a few seconds
  or when trying to drag a window.  Made that the chipset specific AGP
  module (intel-agp.ko in my case) was NOT loaded via lsmod; also moved
  the module to a different location so it would not autoload.
* Recompiled kernel with chipset specific AGP module compiled in - No luck
  here either.  Desktop comes up and fglrxinfo reports DRI enabled and
  opengl implentation to be ATI's.  Running glxgears hard locks the machine
  again.  Nothing in the Xorg.0.log files.


I have an ASUS P5B533-E and P4 2.4/533 with Radeon 9800XT.
I have officially given up on ever getting this card to work in linux.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This driver sucks. XComposite does not work, but does with nvidia. Hibernating using fglrx doesn't work, too.
So, I'll stick with the xorg-driver. FU ATI.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. It seems that I have absolutely no hardware 3d acceleration, can anyone help?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO from all the posts I gather that this driver is no improvement whatsoever to the already in use drivers.

When is the next update?

And who is supposed to feel safe buying an ATI card for use with linux?

Im just gonna cop the nvidia card for my new system and it looks my built in Radeon is screwed
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Mobility Radeon 9200; what options do I have? Has anyone gotten decent performance with this card and other built-in cards in Linux?

Even with the new drivers, I aded the necessary options to the kernel, switched the opengl interface to ati, edited my xorg.conf and i still only get 7 FPS on GLForrestFire (screensaver).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing have changed, my system gets frozen randomly, enemy-territory runs nice, it seems having more fps than old driver, but anyway, it gets frozen just in 2d or 3d work.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine did not freeze (yet)

in conclusion i can say.. i am as satisfied with this driver as i was with its predecessors.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:41 am    Post subject: sortof success Reply with quote

Well I was waiting with bated breath (amongst other emotions).

Got the driver. used the ebuild from rage3d forums.

It works fine.

HOWEVER, I use a big desktop mode and apparently the 3200x1200 desktop is too big for DRI. So after some messing about I can only play Q3 using 1024x768 res on each screen.

Oh well. :-)

Otherwise it works OK. Although I suppose because of this i am no better off than using Xorg 6.8 radeon driver! :-)

Anyway fingers crossed for Composite in the next release!!!

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Which is when?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: sortof success Reply with quote

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Anyway fingers crossed for Composite in the next release!!!

Cheers
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Well, keep waiting. Xorg 6.8 extensions aren't a priority for ATi right now. They are mainly concerned with stability and have already said that until there is a commercial need for the extensions, they won't support them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genfoo' wrote:
Which is when?


in the next millenium :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.

Matt technically didn't say "We will release the driver in December" or anything like that, he just said "It could be expected during that time." Now, while I am not defending him on that point, he never did technically set a hard release date as they did with this (albeit they did it like a week in advance, and later than what they alluded too, but still...)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do i need dri for desktop apps or only for 3dthings and games?
i still think what i want more dri or composite :D

is the composite on nvidia accellarated from dri?
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forceflow2 wrote:
Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.

Matt technically didn't say "We will release the driver in December" or anything like that, he just said "It could be expected during that time." Now, while I am not defending him on that point, he never did technically set a hard release date as they did with this (albeit they did it like a week in advance, and later than what they alluded too, but still...)


Whatever he said technically, that's what I understood: drivers in february, sorry if I got it wrong. He seemed to make very clear that he consider keeping a 2 months release cycle important for some reason.
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Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
forceflow2 wrote:
Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.

Matt technically didn't say "We will release the driver in December" or anything like that, he just said "It could be expected during that time." Now, while I am not defending him on that point, he never did technically set a hard release date as they did with this (albeit they did it like a week in advance, and later than what they alluded too, but still...)


Whatever he said technically, that's what I understood: drivers in february, sorry if I got it wrong. He seemed to make very clear that he consider keeping a 2 months release cycle important for some reason.

No, no, no. I meant for this release. Yes, he openly said the next release will be in February. So that if they don't release it then, we can openly be mad at them :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.


Basically, ATI is saying: "We are either slow or we don't care much about our Linux users... your choice. Go get an NVidia card, they have the Linux graphics market."

I just might...
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heheheh ok got it. Well for now I'll be hppy if I can figure out how on earth under ut2004 image quality doesn't affect framerates. like, there's some overhead that works in a strange way. I'll run some tests tomorrow. It's half past two, good night fellow ati users.
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mouacha wrote:
Lepaca Kliffoth wrote:
On the rage3d forums an ATI employee said the next release will be in february as of schedule, regardless of the fact that today's drivers have been released one month late. The guy said they want to make a new version every 2 months.


Basically, ATI is saying: "We are either slow or we don't care much about our Linux users... your choice. Go get an NVidia card, they have the Linux graphics market."

I just might...


Basically, the linux drivers' devs are saying: "we're getting our act together, we'll release drivers every two months like we're doing for windows and things should improve". I don't know if they can keep this promise, nor do you.
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Any word when this driver will be added to portage?
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