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li1_getoo
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 Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:56 pm Post subject: Boot Disk Installation HOWTO discussion |
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thanx for this post u have no idea how many times i tried , and i kinda got tired or reinstalling a diff distro so i can install gentoo in top of it 
another way to install is get bootnet.img from redhat.com and after u boot enter rescue and take it from there.thats if u having a hard time with toms rtbt
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spiff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:13 am Post subject: YAY thanks |
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Helped me out a lot on a crap AST that didnt want to boot from CDrom.
would have taken me a week of msg board raiding otherwise
cheers
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mooman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I ran into a couple hiccups when following that howto as well.
Specifically:
| Code: | # bzip2 -dc stage1-*.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
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| Quote: | | You might get a complaint from bzip2 about a broken pipe - you can ignore it without worry. |
In my case the broken pipe message wasn't ignorable. I think piping the output of the bzip to the tar is more than the pipe can handle. It runs and runs until it hits that limit, and then quits, meaning you don't get a full install.
I honestly think that bzip2 | tar line should be broken into two steps, like:
| Code: | bzip2 -dc stage1-*.tar.bz2
tar -xvf stage1-*.tar
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That's what I had to do to get my install to work...
Other than that, I gotta admit the instructions were great and are the only reason I was able to get gentoo working. (I had to build my own custom tomsrtbt boot floppy since I have both a non-booting cdrom and an uncommon NIC). Learned a whole bunch about compressed floppy images in the process. 
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phong
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| Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I've split this discussion off of the howto which I'm moving to the new FAQ forum. Followups or questions about it can go here.
EDIT:
13.DEC.04: Moved from D,T&T. --pjp
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zojas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mooman wrote: |
| Code: | bzip2 -dc stage1-*.tar.bz2
tar -xvf stage1-*.tar
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why don't you just do this instead:
| Code: | | tar xjvpf stage1-*.tar.bz2 |
the j flags tells tar to decompress it with bzip2 first. |
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sfabien
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| Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hu ... i've done all the stuff in this how-to ...
/dev/hda1 ext2
/dev/hda2 swap
/dev/hda3 ext3
but when i'm trying to do chroot, i have this message :
"FATAL: kernel too old"
I use tomsrtbt 2.0.103 ... please hhhheeelp !!!
Thanks
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phong
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| zojas wrote: | | Code: | | tar xjvpf stage1-*.tar.bz2 |
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That won't work. The tar on tomsrtbt (like most executables on there) is not the complete version you're familiar with (it's actually a wrapper for another program called pax). It doesn't support those options.
| sfabien wrote: | | "FATAL: kernel too old" |
?! I have no idea what would cause that. The first thing I can think to do is try to make another copy of the disk (floppies are bad more often than not). That's a long shot though. You could also try some other boot disk (the procedure would be slightly different), such as one from another distro. I've heard the slackware ones are pretty good. There are a couple other rescue boot disks out there too. Do you have anything unusual in your setup?
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DaNIsH
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| sfabien wrote: | Hu ... i've done all the stuff in this how-to ...
/dev/hda1 ext2
/dev/hda2 swap
/dev/hda3 ext3
but when i'm trying to do chroot, i have this message :
"FATAL: kernel too old"
I use tomsrtbt 2.0.103 ... please hhhheeelp !!!
Thanks
Fabien |
Same problem here.. |
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sfabien
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| phong wrote: | | Do you have anything unusual in your setup? |
No, nothing unusual ! just a motherboard and 2 network interfaces with a matrox mystique on a pci slot for the gfx ... that's all !
I don't know if it'll succeed but i am currently 'emerge system' (chroot done) with the slackware floppies! I use the bare.i as the boot disk, the rescue.dsk as the root disk and the network.dsk as a complementary image (to be able to download packages )
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DaNIsH
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone know of any of boot/root disks like toms?
Ive tried slackware.. but there network.dsk doesnt support/wont detect my onboard 3com 905b ethernet and I have no idea how to force it/if i need to specify an I/O. |
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ettan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2003 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Same kernel too old error when chrooting. Maybe one should replace the (2.2) kernel with a newer version (2.4)? Or replace the chroot with an older version. Anyway I gave up fast and used Slackware disks (root,boot,network) and everything worked like a charm |
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zojas
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| DaNIsH wrote: | Anyone know of any of boot/root disks like toms?
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I used redhat's bootnet.img
the annoying part is that you need to have the files from the first 3 redhat8 cds on another computer. the cool part is that you'll have nfs working, so you can nfs mount /usr/portage/distfiles from another machine to save some downloading (and more importantly hard drive space on your target 'small' machine's /usr partition).
I made a directory on my nfs server, /junk/burn/RedHat
then for each of the first three redhat8 cds:
| Code: | | cp -a /mnt/cdrom/Redhat/* /junk/burn/RedHat/ |
then export the directory /junk/burn via nfs.
then boot the machine you want to install on with bootnet.img. at the lilo prompt type this:
then you tell it you have an nfs image, set up your network (easy), tell it about your nfs server and give it the path '/junk/burn'. then tell it to skip searching for a redhat installation and you get a prompt.
after you get your filesystems created and mounted, nfs mount a nicely populated /usr/portage/distfiles to /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/distfiles.
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plate
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Embarrassing, isn't it. "kernel too old" - pah. High time Gentoo came up with a rescue floppy of its own, don't you think... Where would I find three floppies for the Slackware method around the house??? Haven't used that many since I fixed my Windows Network...  |
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keratos68
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Why reinvent the wheel, for a rescue solutio0n, visit www.toms.net - No I dont know him but it works GREAT!
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plate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you read the last few posts above at all? tomsrtbt fails to chroot, it's not usable as an installation floppy for Gentoo 1.4 any longer. That's why we were busy looking for alternatives, and Slackware seems to be one of them. |
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keratos68
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Course I read - have you tried the latest? Works for me, looks like I'm not the idiot , mmm .
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plate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't call you an idiot, I surely don't enjoy being called one myself. Everybody in the past few days has used the current tomsrtbt 2.0.103, if you have reason to believe that your version is different from ours, then you might want to share that additional piece of information a little more eloquently than by just posting a link everyone here knows. |
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brain_fear
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 4:26 pm Post subject: Gentoo Boot Disk |
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Why don't the developers make a boot disk?
I don't have any clue how to use Toms boot disk, i tried slackware boot disks but ran into errors. |
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asmmsl
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 3:15 am Post subject: |
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a special boot disk for notebooks would be geat
One with no support for desktop-only components, like scsi or pci cards that cant be found integrated on motherboards, but with as many as possible pcmcia modules/packages put into freed up space. |
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ashibaka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| dazzle68 wrote: | | Course I read - have you tried the latest? Works for me, looks like I'm not the idiot , mmm . |
I installed and booted 2.0.103-- same problem, dumbarse.
I'm going to have to make a new boot floppy now... [groan] |
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plate
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Please, do keep your composure. This is about booting your computer, not each other.
Notebooks are becoming increasingly picky about boot media. The latest Vaios (V505) for example will have a USB floppy drive and a Firewire 1394 CD-ROM, how do you expect anything to boot reliably on that? The VMWare approach looks more and more appealing to me... You don't know what I mean? Why don't I do a write-up then and edit this post later on so you can find a link to it... 
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ashibaka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| plate wrote: | | Please, do keep your composure. This is about booting your computer, not each other. |
 Heh.
[comment snipped - I just realized I mounted everything wrong.
BTW, all, try rebooting ] |
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Naan Yaar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 5:32 am Post subject: |
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One thing to try may be the Smart Boot Manager from the DT&T Floppy Install tip. You can put it on a floppy and then load Gentoo off the CD-ROM (even if the BIOS refuses to boot the latter).
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keratos68
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| ashibaka wrote: | | dazzle68 wrote: | | Course I read - have you tried the latest? Works for me, looks like I'm not the idiot , mmm . |
I installed and booted 2.0.103-- same problem, dumbarse.
I'm going to have to make a new boot floppy now... [groan] |
Well 2x "dumarses" who cant get it working - this thread sucks so I'll stop watching and leave you to cinderalla TTFN
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plate
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Psst. Is he gone?
Naan Yaar, this Smart Boot Manager you recommend is great under most circumstances, but it hasn't been updated since early 2001. Back then, Sony and other laptop manufacturers hadn't turned against common sense and good practice by introducing the abominable IEEE1394 CD-ROM yet, but today a lot of laptops are struck with these. In half a year of constant scrutiny, looking at every single web occurrence of a Linux installation attempt from one of these drives (and I mean research), I haven't found anyone who managed to get past a shell prompt. One does (occasionally) get to that stage, so it is sometimes possible to configure the network and start wget'ting whatever is necessary, but in all likelihood the CD drive will die and stay dead as the proverbial flight-impaired bird. Unless you manage to hack a boot kernel of your own, you'll be sorry you ever bought that thing.
Coming back to the boot floppies, now that dazzle68 has unfortunately left us in the dark, does anybody have an idea why tomsrtbt would work for some people and not for others? |
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