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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: X Freezing, mouse still moves, b/g processes still going Reply with quote

Hi all! I decided to start this new thread as a split from this one: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=198023&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0.
It looks like that thread is an amalgam of several different problems with similar symptoms. I think if we gather up everybody with the exact same issue, we can get this thing resolved!
So here is my problem:
Whenever I run Xorg, it will lockup after 2-3 minutes, regardless of what I am doing in it, as long as I am doing something. And when it does lock up, the mouse pointer still moves, but I can click on anything. Also, it appears that the machine still functions, and only X is hosed, because if I happen to be compiling something, or if I am playing an mp3, it will continue to do these things.
So, post here if you have the following symptoms:
- Xorg locks up
- Mouse still moves but can't click and keyboard won't respond
- Certain services still run while X is frozen

Also, try to post some specific info about your machine:
KERNEL: development-sources 2.6.11_rc1
XORG: 6.8.1.901-r1
GCC: 3.4.3-r1
GLIBC: 2.3.4.20041102 with NPTL support compiled in
NVIDIA-KERNEL: 1.0.6629-r1

CPU: Pentium4 2.0GHz Northwood core
RAM: 512(2x256)MB DDR333
CHIPSET: SiS 645
VIDEO CARD: BFG GeForce 6800GT OC

Let's see if we can't put our heads together and come up with some solutions.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I posted in that other thread, and I know it's too long to read this morning.

But all I wanted to contribute is I was having those issues for a few days after switching to 2.6.X and xorg with the same video card as you. I removed agpgart completely from my kernel and all has been well since.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Now that, I haven't tried. Do you do any gaming on your rig? I'm worried about a performance hit. But I will still try that. If I have to, I can always game in WinXP *grumble*.
The really odd thing is, I have run other distros, like Slackware, Fedora, LFS...and had no problems. But I will try that. Thanks for the input!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i started noticing the same locksup after upgrading from 2.6.6 to 2.6.9 or later. but i am not sure its because of the kernel upgrade or because i also upgraded to gcc 3.3.5. I am also using nvidia's drivers, so it could be an issue with nvidia not playing nicely with the new kernel.

Also, my lockups occur after about 2 days of uptime.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking it may be an nvidia problem too, but I'm not certain yet, because things are fine in other distros. I need to check which specific GCC version I have in the other distros, I think might be the source of the problem, but again, not sure. I know I used the 2.6.9 kernel with my LFS distro and had no problems with X.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think your problem is different, why do you use the same thread title?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an issue with Xorg or the way Xorg was compiled, from what I can gather. And I mostly started the new thread because the other one was getting bloated and not everybody was having the same problem. It seemed like some were getting true system hang ups, where nothing would work. The main symptom seems to be that your mouse will still move and processes are still running in the background.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drowbot wrote:
It is an issue with Xorg or the way Xorg was compiled, from what I can gather. And I mostly started the new thread because the other one was getting bloated and not everybody was having the same problem. It seemed like some were getting true system hang ups, where nothing would work. The main symptom seems to be that your mouse will still move and processes are still running in the background.


But you haven't answered my question. Can't you think of a more specific thread subject? Two threads treating similar problems and with the same title are prone to bring confusion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I see. Good point! Consider it changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drowbot wrote:
Really? Now that, I haven't tried. Do you do any gaming on your rig? I'm worried about a performance hit. But I will still try that. If I have to, I can always game in WinXP *grumble*.
The really odd thing is, I have run other distros, like Slackware, Fedora, LFS...and had no problems. But I will try that. Thanks for the input!


yes sir, hence the kickass video card. :D And yeah, it did much better after taking that outta the kernel. I put Option "NvAGP" "1" in my xorg.conf in the Device section to use nvidia agp. I get better framerates and stability. ymmv.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will definitely try that then, and post you cookie if it works. haha
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well srlinuxx, here is your cookie! lol I tried what you said and my system is 100% stable now. Although I just realized I set NvAGP to 2 instead of 1, but it still works and I'll change that later. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, that's weird, cuz option 2 tells X to use system/kernel agp. :P oh well, if it works, then I'd go with it. :D Are you getting decent framerates outta your games without freeze-ups like that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, everything is finally running smoooooth. Good thing too...I like portage too much to ever go back to Slackware or LFS. And Windows...well...no need to explain there. lol

I was pretty nervous about it working, since I was running out of options. I made the changes, started up X, and started running glxgears, XMMS on a loop, and started compiling some other software, just to see if I could get it to freeze again. I ran off to cook dinner and kept asking my wife "Are the gears still spinning???" lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teehee. that is wonderful news. perhaps taking agpgart outta the kernel completely kinda renders the NvAGP option unnecessary. I mean it kinda makes sense if it does.
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Well, I tried to set NvAGP to "1", but when I do that, X won't load. I just get a black screen. I check the log file but there are no errors, it just stops. It will load with NvAGP 2, but if I do cat /proc/bus/agp/status (I think that's the command) it says AGP is disabled. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I never had much luck with the nvidia ebuilds and I never investigated why. I just don't use them. I'd unmerge them and use the drivers from nvidia's site. You still may have to do that opengl-update thing tho, but I never did not using the ebuilds to begin with.

If that fails for you, perhaps post your xorg.conf. Also double check the kernel version number you previously posted and post your kernel version. I don't know if your sis chip is getting in way or not. perhaps google and see if it's been reported by other people. I run a kt400 with an amd barton.
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I tried the NVIDIA drivers by themselves and unmerged the ebuild version. Still didn't work. Here is what I get when I run dmesg:

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Linux version 2.6.11-rc1 (root@dragon) (gcc version 3.4.3 20041125 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3-r1, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.7)) #4 Sat Jan 22 19:34:50 CST 2005
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000001fff0000 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 000000001fff0000 - 000000001fff3000 (ACPI NVS)
 BIOS-e820: 000000001fff3000 - 0000000020000000 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: 00000000ffff0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
511MB LOWMEM available.
On node 0 totalpages: 131056
  DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
  Normal zone: 126960 pages, LIFO batch:16
  HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1
DMI 2.2 present.
Built 1 zonelists
Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31B
Initializing CPU#0
PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes)
Detected 1992.978 MHz processor.
Using tsc for high-res timesource
Console: colour dummy device 80x25
Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Memory: 514544k/524224k available (2880k kernel code, 9128k reserved, 964k data, 168k init, 0k highmem)
Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok.
Calibrating delay loop... 3932.16 BogoMIPS (lpj=1966080)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
CPU: After generic identify, caps: 3febf9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 3febf9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K
CPU: L2 cache: 512K
CPU: After all inits, caps: 3febf9ff 00000000 00000000 00000080 00000000 00000000 00000000
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz stepping 04
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
NET: Registered protocol family 16
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb2c0, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
mtrr: v2.0 (20020519)
SCSI subsystem initialized
usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new driver hub
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
Uncovering SIS961 that hid as a SIS503 (compatible=1)
Enabling SiS 96x SMBus.
PCI: Using IRQ router default [1039/0645] at 0000:00:00.0
PCI: IRQ 0 for device 0000:00:02.1 doesn't match PIRQ mask - try pci=usepirqmask
Machine check exception polling timer started.
audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
audit(1106615270.392:0): initialized
devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
devfs: boot_options: 0x1
Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).
NTFS driver 2.1.22 [Flags: R/W].
vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd0000000, mapped to 0xe0800000, using 10240k, total 262144k
vesafb: mode is 1280x1024x32, linelength=5120, pages=0
vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:ce20
vesafb: pmi: set display start = c00cce56, set palette = c00ccec0
vesafb: pmi: ports = 3b4 3b5 3ba 3c0 3c1 3c4 3c5 3c6 3c7 3c8 3c9 3cc 3ce 3cf 3d0 3d1 3d2 3d3 3d4 3d5 3da
vesafb: scrolling: ywrap using protected mode interface, yres_virtual=2048
vesafb: Truecolor: size=8:8:8:8, shift=24:16:8:0
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x64
fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device
lp: driver loaded but no devices found
Hangcheck: starting hangcheck timer 0.5.0 (tick is 180 seconds, margin is 60 seconds).
Failed to disable AUX port, but continuing anyway... Is this a SiS?
If AUX port is really absent please use the 'i8042.noaux' option.
serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing disabled
ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)]
lp0: using parport0 (polling).
io scheduler noop registered
io scheduler anticipatory registered
io scheduler deadline registered
io scheduler cfq registered
elevator: using anticipatory as default io scheduler
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
sis900.c: v1.08.07 11/02/2003
eth0: ICS LAN PHY transceiver found at address 1.
eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default
eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe000, IRQ 10, 00:50:2c:02:67:73.
8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xec00, 00:30:bd:06:b2:42, IRQ 11
eth1:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C'
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
SIS5513: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:02.5
SIS5513: chipset revision 208
SIS5513: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
SIS5513: SiS 961 MuTIOL IDE UDMA100 controller
    ide0: BM-DMA at 0x4000-0x4007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA
    ide1: BM-DMA at 0x4008-0x400f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
Probing IDE interface ide0...
hda: ST340810A, ATA DISK drive
hdb: WDC WD1200JB-00DUA3, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
Probing IDE interface ide1...
hdc: Norcent RWJ-401S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
Probing IDE interface ide2...
ide2: Wait for ready failed before probe !
Probing IDE interface ide3...
ide3: Wait for ready failed before probe !
Probing IDE interface ide4...
ide4: Wait for ready failed before probe !
Probing IDE interface ide5...
ide5: Wait for ready failed before probe !
hda: max request size: 128KiB
hda: 78165360 sectors (40020 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)
hda: cache flushes not supported
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3
hdb: max request size: 1024KiB
hdb: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100)
hdb: cache flushes supported
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p2
hdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1984kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: irq 11, pci mem 0xec002000
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.3: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2)
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.3: irq 11, pci mem 0xec000000
ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 2-0:1.0: 3 ports detected
USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2
usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
usbcore: registered new driver usblp
drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [SILITEK USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:02.2-1
input: USB HID v1.00 Device [SILITEK USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:02.2-1
input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Cypress Sem PS2/USB Browser Combo Mouse] on usb-0000:00:02.3-1
usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver
usbcore: registered new driver mdc800
drivers/usb/image/mdc800.c: v0.7.5 (30/10/2000):USB Driver for Mustek MDC800 Digital Camera
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
input: PC Speaker
Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20a, 11:57:56 Jan 22 2005
PCI: 0000:00:0a.0 has unsupported PM cap regs version (1)
emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8064 found, IO at 0xe400-0xe41f, IRQ 10
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: EMC40 (Unknown)
emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8rc2 (Wed Jan 05 06:44:40 2005 UTC).
can't register device seq
ALSA device list:
  No soundcards found.
NET: Registered protocol family 2
IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes
TCP established hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
TCP bind hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768)
ip_conntrack version 2.1 (4095 buckets, 32760 max) - 292 bytes per conntrack
ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team
ipt_recent v0.3.1: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>.  http://snowman.net/projects/ipt_recent/
arp_tables: (C) 2002 David S. Miller
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly.
kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
Mounted devfs on /dev
Freeing unused kernel memory: 168k freed
Adding 1004052k swap on /dev/hda3.  Priority:-1 extents:1
EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal
nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-6629  Wed Nov  3 13:12:51 PST 2004
NTFS volume version 3.1.
NTFS-fs error (device hda1): load_system_files(): Volume is dirty.  Mounting read-only.  Run chkdsk and mount in Windows.
EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS on hdb1, internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS on hdb2, internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones
agpgart: Detected SiS 645 chipset
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried a kernel without agpart?


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Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones
agpgart: Detected SiS 645 chipset
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that is the error without AGPGART in the kernel. If I do have AGPGART compiled in or loaded as a module, X will lock up after a few minutes of use. I have this line
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Option "NvAGP" "2"

in my xorg.conf, which I put in by mistake, it should have been a 1 instead of a 2. 2 loads AGPGART, and results in the error. But if I set it to 1, it *should* load NVIDIA AGP support. But when I try to start X, it just sits there with a black screen.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still in there. You may have to open /usr/src/linux/.config in an editor and put a N beside it cuz even if you build it as a module it'll get used no matter what you tell X. but yeah, it's still in there or else you wouldn't be getting:
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Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones
agpgart: Detected SiS 645 chipset
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my problem was solved by turning off acpi and apm. every two days or so xorg would lock up, i am guessing it was because of nvidia and apm/acpi, but i have no idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, I took them outta the kernel a while back cuz I have an old old monitor and it's easier on it just to leave it on! :D but I never got lock ups using it. I started getting lock ups with new video card. again, one has to experiment with what works best with their chipset. I don't have any experience with sis.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...maybe I will try that too. I find them annoying too. My comp is on 24/7 and even if I'm not at it, it's usually doing *something*, so I prefer the monitor to be all the time so I can glance at it. I know I have APM disabled, but I will try ACPI.
I'm so glad I switched to Linux. I learn by breaking things and fixing them, and with Windoze, it seems like things break just because they suck. Not much potential for learning. At least with Linux, things break for reasons that you can actually discover on your own. All hail the mighty penguin!
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