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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: xfce problem |
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Hi, I'm new here (like in opensource), so I'd like to say hi 
Now, straight to the point. Gentoo is my first linux distribution (sic!) (stage3), and I wanted to install some windowmanager. I decided to choose xfce. Before going to bed, I had input from the command line
Next day when I woke up, I tried to start my X using: startx, xinit xfce, xinit startxfce4 and every one of these commands ended with those screenshost:
by root
by some user form users group
Next I was a little bit angry, and tried to uninstall xfce by emerge -C xfce4, but now the system informs me, there's nothing to uninstall matching xfce4 or xfce  (but there are some x11 files in /usr/portage/distfiles). What should I do now to wholly uninstall xfce?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: xfce problem |
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| newbie wrote: | | Hi, I'm new here (like in opensource), so I'd like to say hi |
Hi! 
The root screenshot you made is a windowmanager. It is simply the one provided by xorg.
To start xfce4, you could try
Another thing. When you unmerged xfce4, it said there was nothing to unmerge, because xfce4 is not a package itself. BUT, xfce4 contains many packages like one for the panel, one for netload button, file manager, etc.
If you would do
you could see which packages would be removed if you left out the option '-p'.
I hope that helped a bit. Do
so that xfce4 is in your world file again.
Please ask, if you have more questions. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: xfce problem |
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| R!tman wrote: | If you would do
you could see which packages would be removed if you left out the option '-p'. |
So, checking if I understood correctly - if I prompt emerge -p depcelan I will see which packages will be removed (but connected with xfce, or another ones too?). But what if I want to uninstall all packages connected only with xfce? (I don't want to remove all packages - sounds weird, but I'm newbie here and I'm just a little bit worry - I don't want to damage all packages) Sorry |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Removes all unnecessary packages. The option '-p' (pretend) tells emerge not to really do it, simply to show, what emerge would do.
So, after
the system no longer knows that xfce4 is installed and all packages contained in the 'xfce4-package' are considered unnecessary. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| depclean references files that aren't really connected to anything (theoretically, of course. You'll need to check the output of -p (or pretend) first.) It's kind of like cleaning out the files that aren't significant. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, thank you for your replies.
looks like here * .
* I didn't want to paste all output here, cause it's quite long
So, could you please tell me can I perform emerge depclean without any harm?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Is there really a good reason for you to get rid of xfce? Are you that tight on space? If you don't have to, just leave it on there for now, and worry about getting rid of it once you are more comfortable with portage. It won't hurt anything if you leave it, except for disk space. |
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The problem with the pts is that in your kernel, you need to have enabled this option:
CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS_XATTR
which is in Filesystems->Pseudo Filesystems (for `make menuconfig`).
Good Luck!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| graphic23 wrote: | The problem with the pts is that in your kernel, you need to have enabled this option:
CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS_XATTR
which is in Filesystems->Pseudo Filesystems (for `make menuconfig`).
Good Luck! |
Ok, thank you  I'm a real newbie, so could you please tell me what for I did it? (It's already enabled and I thint it works, cause I don't see some message about DEVPTS when system starts).
So I won't delete those unnesesary packages as you told me. But please what should I do now to obtain fluxbox as my new windowmanager. I'm dreaming about main screen like here or here . Is it possible ?
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If you want fluxbox simply
That should be it.
I don't have fluxbox installed on my machine, so I can't tell you how to start it. But it should be pretty easy, like
or the like.
Another thing: If you want to keep xfce4 do
otherwise
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
I wanted to see what will be installed after emerge fluxbox:
| Code: | emerge -pv fluxbox
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies...done!
[ebuild N ] x11-wm/fluxbox-0.9.11 -bigger-fonts -disablexmb +gnome +kde +nls +truetype -xinerama 621 kB
Total size of downloads: 621 kB |
But now I can see gnome and kde Could you tell me why? I'm sure I can somehow skip these two, cause I think I don't need them. Instead of them I'd like to install only fluxbox. I heard something about USE, but I don't know what & where should I do with it. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| newbie wrote: | Hi!
I wanted to see what will be installed after emerge fluxbox:
| Code: | emerge -pv fluxbox
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies...done!
[ebuild N ] x11-wm/fluxbox-0.9.11 -bigger-fonts -disablexmb +gnome +kde +nls +truetype -xinerama 621 kB
Total size of downloads: 621 kB |
But now I can see gnome and kde Could you tell me why? I'm sure I can somehow skip these two, cause I think I don't need them. Instead of them I'd like to install only fluxbox. I heard something about USE, but I don't know what & where should I do with it. |
Those are indeed use flags. Edit /etc/make.conf and find the line with your USE variable in it, and remove gnome and kde from that list. That way when you install fluxbox it won't pull in support or dependencies for kde or gnome.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| vonhelmet wrote: | | Those are indeed use flags. Edit /etc/make.conf and find the line with your USE variable in it, and remove gnome and kde from that list. That way when you install fluxbox it won't pull in support or dependencies for kde or gnome. |
Thanks. But if gnome & kde are really unnecessary during fluxbox instalation? I can completely remove those twa flags and be sure that fluxbox will work? One more question: how long does it take to install fluxbox? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| newbie wrote: | | vonhelmet wrote: | | Those are indeed use flags. Edit /etc/make.conf and find the line with your USE variable in it, and remove gnome and kde from that list. That way when you install fluxbox it won't pull in support or dependencies for kde or gnome. |
Thanks. But if gnome & kde are really unnecessary during fluxbox instalation? I can completely remove those twa flags and be sure that fluxbox will work? One more question: how long does it take to install fluxbox? |
Fluxbox will run fine.
Fluxbox won't take long to install. It'll probably be done in less than 10 minutes, maybe even less than 5.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| vonhelmet wrote: | | Those are indeed use flags. Edit /etc/make.conf and find the line with your USE variable in it, and remove gnome and kde from that list. That way when you install fluxbox it won't pull in support or dependencies for kde or gnome. |
Ok, how to do it? I'm currently not able to switch between Windows and Gentoo, and I'd like to know what to remove by now, please. (If it's possible, of course).
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Ok,I've managed with turning off these use flags connected to gnome & kde. Fluxbox is downloaded. But after command: xinit fluxbox I see some default (I think) windowmanager. What should I do now to obtain nice look of fluxbox after startx command? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| newbie wrote: | Edit
Ok,I've managed with turning off these use flags connected to gnome & kde. Fluxbox is downloaded. But after command: xinit fluxbox I see some default (I think) windowmanager. What should I do now to obtain nice look of fluxbox after startx command? |
I don't use fluxbox myself, but maybe there is something like 'startfluxbox'. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| R!tman wrote: | | I don't use fluxbox myself, but maybe there is something like 'startfluxbox'. |
There is, but there's no difference between promptin startx or startxfluxbox. I see only the TWM. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: |
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ok. I have been a fluxbox user for the past couple of months AND an xfce4 user for the last week. I love them both. What I have to do is edit my .xinitrc file ( normally in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ) and change the end line from:
exec somethingorrather
to:
exec fluxbox ( or xfce4 ).
save ( you must be root ), and now boot up your X with startx. You should now have fluxbox or xce4 running as the window manager. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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It's usually better to put it in your home directiory.
| Code: | | echo "startfluxbox" > $HOME/.xinitrc |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Sir Alaran wrote: | It's usually better to put it in your home directiory.
| Code: | | echo "startfluxbox" > $HOME/.xinitrc |
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So after this command you've just written I should see nice fluxbox window manager, right? (after startfluxbox command). |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, fluxbox ha started, but now I can only observe such a display output. What should I do now to obtain 'normal' screen (cause this calculator and console terminal were moved by myself using mouse - originally they were almoust hidden, and I saw only the part of them - the second half of calculator was hidden like out of monitor range)? |
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