redhat vs gentoo

superfanny · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 101

Hi,

This is the best flamewar between Redhat and Gentoo I have ever read:

http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10093

Hmmm..... anyway, I don't use Redhat or Gentoo as my primary os...... Mind you!!!!!

wjholden · l33t Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 826 Location: Augusta, GA

100 posts and you don't use Gentoo? We must have a good community or something

I don't see any flamewar coming as almost everyone on this forum is going to consider Gentoo the superior distro!

As to RedHat...I'm hoping to get a job there next spring, seriously. Their central offices are within walking distance of my dorm!

Reasons I no longer use RedHat: RPM dependency hell, MP3 support, encrypted DVD support, nForce2 on-board LAN support, portage, customizability

Things I miss from RedHat: configuring Apache sucks, so does configuring X, so does configuring Samba.

But hey, I wouldn't know any of the stuff if it were served on a (flawed) silver platter. I'm looking forward to having some time between spring semester and summer school when I can install LFS on my other computer.

DNL · n00b Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 27

Silly arguments. Gentoo's place is on my machines. RH's place is on my customer's machines.

bladdo · Guru Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 334 Location: NJ

What! Redhat cant be compared to gentoo!

gentoo > redhat
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defkewl · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:

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/dev/random · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:

I'm probably wrong here but when the devs implemented glsa-check wasn't that so they could being to establish a system of backporting security updates? If that's not the case then I would have to say that Debian Woody would be better than RHEL, but not Gentoo. I love Gentoo but I can understand why a distro that backports security patches rather than forcing an upgrade is a better choice for corporations.

Thank ${DEITY} no one mentioned CFLAGS.

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/dev/random · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:23 am Post subject:

Figured I was wrong about glsa-check. GLEP 19 sounds good though as long as it doesn't turn us into Debian.

curtis119 · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:

MagicAlex · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 98

After using Gentoo I'd never use Redhat on my own computer, but after spending a semester learning from an IT administrator I can see why businesses would prefer Redhat. They absolutely need reliable support even more than the promise of stability. They don't want to have to pay someone to sit around and muck with compiling or configurations, they just want it to work as soon as possible with as little hassle as possible. Therefore, a company buys a liscense for the Enterprise Edition (much much cheaper than Windows of course), downloads and burns as many copies of the install CDs as they want, and simply rolls out the entire thing across their systems. Then they go and register each of their machines on RHN so they can schedule errata updates and package installs from the web instead of sitting at the console. It's a business solution that Gentoo doesn't really provide "out of the box," and if you're a CEO of a company then that makes all the difference.

Meanwhile, I can afford to wait several hours for my Stage 1 install to complete and then spend several more hours installing and setting up all my individual programs. I'm not in danger of losing my stock value if my computer becomes unavailable for a fraction of a second.

Ateo · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject:

Shadow Skill · Veteran Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023

Look those Gentoo users who claimed Gentoo was better than Redhat for the enterprise sector are total idiots, if you are a major corporation and decide to employ Gentoo you are either incredibly brave [and have the friggin Gentoo devs at your beck and call.] or totally insane. I personally don't mind using bleeding edge [slightly unstable] systems, I run fc4 on my laptop [The people running the rawhide repositories need to learn to stop leaving stuff out of the repositories I just broke Gnome and can't fix it because they forgot to include some dependency.....Which is actually more annoying than a typical dephell issue.] and as long as you don't uninstall Gnome-session [since the repos are screwed up.] you should be just fine despite the expected bugs and general wierdness that comes with a test release. I find that even bleeding edge distros tend not to totally crash out unless I was attempting something remotely interesting, however I have had things break because of updates but usually nothing too serious. A bussiness, a large bussiness probably cannot afford the down time because emerge -u world; etc-update -3 decided to hose something important. That thread was not really even about Gentoo being better than Redhat to begin with, its really a shame it turned from a silly debate over the gpl and Cent screwing redhat somehow into a "Gentoo is more 1337 than all other distros!" thread. How can anyone even attempt to claim that Gentoo is better for enterprise systems when Portage doesn't even have built in reverse dependency resolution and things like --depclean are stated to be dangerous and decide to be affected by use flags instead of soley analysing what use flags a program has been built with?

I concur about the dependency hell with rpm's, its why I refuse to use rpm based distro's on my desktop since I use this machine so much so dephell ends up being more likely.
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bladdo · Guru Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 334 Location: NJ

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