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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you do know that SETI is funded by Microsoft money... So when SETI find something MS can claim part smugness
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you do know that SETI is funded by Microsoft money... So when SETI find something MS can claim part smugness
My support of SETI is ideological not political. Besides, if the my government would give more funding to finding life rather than destroying it, maybe SETI wouldn't have to accept the funding of monopolistic weasels like Microsoft. I'd hoped someone would give me an answer to my original question though, about the love's vs. nitro's cpu scheduler when it comes to non-desktop applications.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
you do know that SETI is funded by Microsoft money... So when SETI find something MS can claim part smugness


WTF cares. It's good that MS is throwing their money at someone else. Better that than using it to develop IIS or MS antispyware further.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cokehabit wrote:
you do know that SETI is funded by Microsoft money... So when SETI find something MS can claim part smugness
My support of SETI is ideological not political. Besides, if the my government would give more funding to finding life rather than destroying it, maybe SETI wouldn't have to accept the funding of monopolistic weasels like Microsoft. I'd hoped someone would give me an answer to my original question though, about the love's vs. nitro's cpu scheduler when it comes to non-desktop applications.


I can, from what I've seen, both staircase (nitro) and nicksched (love) proform quite well, the only problem is that it takes more study to see which will REALLY proform better. I would generally suggest using O(1) instead of staircase or nicksched in server settings, because O(1) proforms quite well. In fact, when I get home (saturday), I'll release 2.6.11-vividserv1, the thing is, I'm trying to round up as many bug fixes as possible to put into vividserv, not custom CPU schedulers. I'll proble include the improvements sent by nick piggin in 2.6.11-vividserv2 (the improvements are on top of O(1)) and other things requested. Well I'm talking about vividserv, I'd like to say sorry to fallow for not releasing it before vacation and thank fallow for allowing me freedom to develop as I see fit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks predatorfreak, I thought that might be the case.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sith_Happens wrote:
Thanks predatorfreak, I thought that might be the case.


Np Sith_Happens, I'm only doing my job.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't really matter which patchset you use, as long as you use it for a desktop PC. For that matter I prefer -ck or at least -ck based kernels. My apps become more responsive, which I do need, since I enjoy recording my guitar. :)
Vanilla doesn't always work for me perfect enough. But I guess if I had configured it a bit differently than I'm used to, it might have worked better. nitro-sources is unfortunately very unstable for me. Earlier it was fine, though. Same happened to love-sources. At the beginning they all worked nearly flawlessly and were - thank to the patches - a great extension to the default kernel. Now I just can't use it. It depends, I guess, on different hardware and configuration.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish this thread would just die. The only big difference between love and nitro is the fact that one now uses plugsched and mm as its base, and one uses ck as its base. Other than that, they provide nearly all of the same features. Unless, of course, this is referring to the developers of nitro and love themselves, in which case it's really just a thread about attacking other people. Or, again, unless this thread is really just another "mm or ck?" thread in disguise.
And I can make a post just for the purpose of saying that, especially since otw posts don't count towards postcount.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree. this is going too far. just anything that you like. after all its linux.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i stopped posting in here ages ago... oops :oops:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by the way :

ANY my love release isn't / wasn`t based on mm :)
a little mm in addition only (around 20 patches of 500 in full mm. so this is 1/25 of patches in mm) :) :P

so mm or ck isn't good question for current love and nitro because love isn't mm based
( no-sources is mm-based for ex. ) .

maybe nicksched or staircase , genetics or predictable hehehehe :) ok , jokes out .
I want also to forget this thread ...really.

Also we still considering using of plugsched . Propably we`ll chose the 2.6.12-rc1 as pior way and maybe not using plugsched , also we are going to extend testing period , improve stablility ( cut "ricer" patches , cut unusefull stuff etc. )
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fallow: When I said that love was mm based, I was referring to the fact that historically, that's how it has been. Plus, you do use more mm patches than other kernels ;). I guess I jumped the gun a little on plugsched...

Maybe some kind moderator can lock this for us?

EDIT: Good point Earthwings. Nobody touch this! Nobody!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darckness wrote:
Maybe some kind moderator can lock this for us?

But why? There's no real flaming or anything going on here, only you pushing it up from time to time so it can't die as you want it :)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

people said stuff that didnt even belong here.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rush_ad wrote:
people said stuff that didnt even belong here.

lol
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did we ever find which was better? :P
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no need to find out whats better. they are both linux
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
did we ever find which was better? :P


No, I got stuck with some pointer issues in my app. I am still working on it...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont suppose you want to give coke-sources a try?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

will try anything once. Got a link to the diff?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was kind of a joke. Lovechild and I were going to do one at some point but he got angry with me and wouldn't speak to me for some reason so it never got done. Plus if i did do one it would have to be a staging ground for patches for the gentoo kernels so i could help out plasmaroo and dsd
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay tuned, for at least a subjective answer tonight. . .
Here is a subjective kernel benchmark, until I finish the meat and potatoes of the app that will quantitatively measure this.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darckness wrote:
fallow: When I said that love was mm based, I was referring to the fact that historically, that's how it has been. Plus, you do use more mm patches than other kernels ;). I guess I jumped the gun a little on plugsched...

Maybe some kind moderator can lock this for us?

EDIT: Good point Earthwings. Nobody touch this! Nobody!


Not for long :), time to finish up vivdserv1 and release it.....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first started using nitro source awhile back when doom3 was new. The reason i switched from gentoo-dev-sources to nitro was that gentoo-dev-sources at that time wasn't good enough, I can't remeber if they were too slow or did'nt work properly, but nitro solved the problem then. I have never had any problems wth nitro-sources when using kernel 2.6.10.-> but wanted to try ck sources and now use 2.6.11-ck2 without problems. I think many postings on this thread are rude and don't give the nitro devs. the respect and thanks they deserve for making a good kernel patch set. I realy hope the nitro devs. keep at it and overlook simple and rude comments from simple minds.

Thanks nitro devs. I think your work is appreciated by most.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read this thread about latest love and I think this beats nitro. Because there's also staircase in love now. So everyone can choose his favourite sheduler. What do you think of this? Is love now more flexible than nitro? Or does love have just too many patches because of this?

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