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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: XDG menus Reply with quote

iormungand wrote:
vipernicus wrote:
root# mv /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/gapplications.menu
and your KDE Menu will be back to normal

and when you want to use gnome menus again:
root# mv /etc/xdg/menus/gapplications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
and your Gnome Menu will be back to normal

It's annoying, but it works.


Yeah, it works!

Maybe a better solution could be found here?
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html


From reading that, it looks like the gentoo developers could create a single menu for those that use gnome and kde that has a section that is only shown in gnome and a section that is only shown in kde, and make those sections appear to be the default menus. They could call it universal-xdg-menu.ebuild or something...
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: XDG menus Reply with quote

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From reading that, it looks like the gentoo developers could create a single menu for those that use gnome and kde that has a section that is only shown in gnome and a section that is only shown in kde, and make those sections appear to be the default menus. They could call it universal-xdg-menu.ebuild or something...

I think imho it could be even easier, without the need of a separated ebuild. In ubuntu this problem seems partially resolved (gnome doesn't show icons of kde apps, manually copying icons in /usr/share/pixmaps resolve the issue), but various files (applications.menu, etc) are almost the same as those of gentoo. Maybe the problem resides in internal kde opts... boh?
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've installed gnome-light-2.10_pre0 plus a few extras (gstreamer, gedit, gnome-vfs etc) and it all seems to be working aprt from one snag. Whenever I reboot and login to gnome it takes about 2 minutes for the panel to to start working, after the splash screen has gone. I can see the panel without any icons, my wallpaper hasn't loaded but any apps I tell to autostart will start. After 2 minutes the panel comes to life and I have access to everything. If I just log out and log back in again this doesn't happen.

Any idea on how to fix this behaviour?
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've installed gnome-light-2.10_pre0 plus a few extras (gstreamer, gedit, gnome-vfs etc) and it all seems to be working aprt from one snag. Whenever I reboot and login to gnome it takes about 2 minutes for the panel to to start working, after the splash screen has gone. I can see the panel without any icons, my wallpaper hasn't loaded but any apps I tell to autostart will start. After 2 minutes the panel comes to life and I have access to everything. If I just log out and log back in again this doesn't happen.

Any idea on how to fix this behaviour?


Check ~/.gnomerc-errors file for anything "strange."
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I don't have a .gnomerc-errors file, but .Xsesion-errors contains the following
Code:
/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "jasper"
/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- gnome-session
SESSION_MANAGER=local/SpectrumZX:/tmp/.ICE-unix/9626

** (gnome-panel:9699): WARNING **: Failed to add file monitor for file:///home/jasper/.gtk-bookmarks: Unsupported operation

No running windows found
Which may well be the problem. Unfortunately I have no idea what would cause that error, let alone how to fix it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well I don't have a .gnomerc-errors file


Thats not a good thing...

Try deleting that file: .gtk-bookmarks
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just installed Gnome 2.10 last night and now the keys on my keyboard are mapped to different characters. Like the slash and backslash are where the tilde key usually is. Is there a simple way to fix this
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just installed Gnome 2.10 last night and now the keys on my keyboard are mapped to different characters. Like the slash and backslash are where the tilde key usually is. Is there a simple way to fix this


Get a butterknife and pry off all of your keyboard keys, and figure out what each key is now, and then match the key covers with the corresponding keys.

(Don't do this, unless you really want to.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just installed Gnome 2.10 last night and now the keys on my keyboard are mapped to different characters. Like the slash and backslash are where the tilde key usually is. Is there a simple way to fix this


Get a butterknife and pry off all of your keyboard keys, and figure out what each key is now, and then match the key covers with the corresponding keys.

(Don't do this, unless you really want to.)


its very tempting I must tell you.

Weird thing - somehow the layout got changed to canadian. I changed the keyboard layout to US and it seems to have fixed it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chunderbunny wrote:
Well I don't have a .gnomerc-errors file


Thats not a good thing...

Try deleting that file: .gtk-bookmarks

There is no .gtk-bookmarks file. Is this a fault with the gnome-light ebuild possibly? Maybe there is a package I need to install which provides the .gnomerc-errors functionality.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: KDE/Gnome menu separation Reply with quote

Hi,

I just played around a bit with trying to separate Gnome and KDE menus, and it seems as if I've found (kind of) a solution:
Put the following in you Gnome startup script:

Code:
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/X11R6/share/gnome:/usr/X11R6/share"


and that into your KDE script:

Code:
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/share:/usr/share"


Now it seems to work quite nicely, at least for my box here. Would be nice to know if it works for you too.

See ya,

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: KDE/Gnome menu separation Reply with quote

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Put the following in you Gnome startup script:


Hi, unfortunately I don't know which are these scripts :roll:
do you mean "startkde" and "gnome-session"?
I tried with startkde but I didn't get any effect...
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bug 84701 now RESOLVED!!!!!

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84701

Looking forward to seeing 2.10 in stable shortly!
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

A while ago I mentioned a menueditor that's being developed for ubuntu using python and said I'd run up an ebuild.....well 200 years later and 2 versions and a name change later, I've finally got around to it :-) It's still pretty dodgy sometimes due mainly to differences with how gnome-menus and pyxdg work with menus. Moving menu items around is a bit sketchy, but adding items seems to work OK. Anyway, here's a tarball to stick into your overlay...hopefully it'll work http://17boulden.dyndns.org/smeg-0.5-overlay.tar.bz2. It relies on some pretty recent packages, some of which might still be masked. It might work with older packages, but the deps are what I've tested it with. If it doesn't work, destroys your menus, calls you bad names or explodes you computer, don't blame me :roll: .

EDIT: OK, now that I've fixed my router, you should actually be able to download the above file :oops: .

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: KDE/Gnome menu separation Reply with quote

FloatBest wrote:
Hi,

I just played around a bit with trying to separate Gnome and KDE menus, and it seems as if I've found (kind of) a solution:
Put the following in you Gnome startup script:

Code:
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/X11R6/share/gnome:/usr/X11R6/share"


and that into your KDE script:

Code:
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/share:/usr/share"


Now it seems to work quite nicely, at least for my box here. Would be nice to know if it works for you too.

See ya,

FloatBest


where are the startup scripts?
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I emerged 2.10, but I have some problems:

- the trash-applet doesn't work correctly: when I delete all stuff in it, it's still seems to be full. after a logout&login it's correct

- the sound-applet doesn't really work. It often hangs up when I logout and it crashes every time when I start a sound (for example starting a mp3 with xmms)

- I can't eject CDs with the device-applet

- there are many problems with icons... so some icons get lost in the menu and I miss some icons when I add an applet (for example panel-force-quit (applet) and gnome-alsamixer (menu))

It all worked with 2.8 without any problems.

Am I the only one that have these problems?
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found another problem - Naultilus can no longer browse the root network samba tree.
i.e. When I open "Windows Network" in nautilus, it shows no machines, however typing the direct smb:// address works fine.

Anyone else encountered this?
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

electric_hamster wrote:
Found another problem - Naultilus can no longer browse the root network samba tree.
i.e. When I open "Windows Network" in nautilus, it shows no machines, however typing the direct smb:// address works fine.

Anyone else encountered this?

I've had issues where a network computer just wouldn't show up for some reason, but no matter what it wouldn't display, but I don't have this issue. Does it sometimes show up? Maybe it's related to my problem.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm, difficult to describe :D

in gnome 2.8 i can make all nautilus-icons smaller (100...75...50), and the font stayes "normal" - but since gnome 2.10 the font in nautilus also gets smaller :(

but i need smaller icons + the normal font size - notebook, not much space...
if i change the font size in apps generally, i got a new problem - this fonts will be to big in every other application!
what should i do?
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nford wrote:
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I just installed Gnome 2.10 last night and now the keys on my keyboard are mapped to different characters. Like the slash and backslash are where the tilde key usually is. Is there a simple way to fix this


Get a butterknife and pry off all of your keyboard keys, and figure out what each key is now, and then match the key covers with the corresponding keys.

(Don't do this, unless you really want to.)


its very tempting I must tell you.

Weird thing - somehow the layout got changed to canadian. I changed the keyboard layout to US and it seems to have fixed it.


But, your location says Waterloo. I really hope that isn't Iowa...
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When will 2.10 be released so you dont have to make any changes (~) or whatever. Would 2.10 be stable now if i tried to get it? and how do i go about getting it now?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it has been unmasked.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rush_ad wrote:
it has been unmasked.


Yeah, but it's still unstable.

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-332422-highlight-.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chunderbunny wrote:
Lokheed wrote:
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Well I don't have a .gnomerc-errors file


Thats not a good thing...

Try deleting that file: .gtk-bookmarks

There is no .gtk-bookmarks file. Is this a fault with the gnome-light ebuild possibly? Maybe there is a package I need to install which provides the .gnomerc-errors functionality.


Ahh, that would explain it. Gnome Light is crippled and full of errors. I personally think it should be hardmasked. It is a true subpar Gnome experience. Here are is what packages my Gnome.2.10.1 ebuild has...works flawlessly...but if you are running Gnome Light, then that might explain things.

Code:
>=dev-libs/glib-2.6.4
   >=dev-libs/atk-1.9.1
   >=x11-libs/gtk+-2.6.7
   >=x11-libs/pango-1.8.1

   >=dev-libs/libxml2-2.6.19
   >=dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.14

   >=x11-libs/libxklavier-1.14
   >=media-libs/audiofile-0.2.6-r1
   >=media-sound/esound-0.2.35
   >=gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
   >=media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17

   >=dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.5
   >=gnome-base/orbit-2.12.2

   >=gnome-base/gconf-2.10.0
   >=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.1
   >=gnome-extra/gnome-keyring-manager-2.11.0
   >=gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1
   >=gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.10.1

   >=gnome-base/libbonobo-2.8.1
   >=gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.8.1
   >=gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.0
   >=gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.0
   >=gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.0
   >=gnome-base/libglade-2.5

   >=gnome-base/control-center-2.10.1

   >=gnome-base/eel-2.10.1
   >=gnome-base/nautilus-2.10.1
   >=gnome-extra/nautilus-open-terminal-0.2

   >=media-gfx/gthumb-2.6.4
   >=gnome-extra/gcalctool-5.5.42
   >=gnome-extra/gconf-editor-2.10.0
   >=app-editors/gedit-2.10.2

   >=gnome-base/gnome-session-2.10.0
   >=gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.1
   >=gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.10.1
   >=gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.10.1

   >=x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
   >=gnome-extra/gnome2-user-docs-2.8.1

   >=x11-libs/gtksourceview-1.2.0
   >=gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.10.3
   >=gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.10.2
   
   >=gnome-base/libgtop-2.10.1
   >=gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor-2.10.1

   >=gnome-base/librsvg-2.9.5
   >=x11-libs/libwnck-2.10.0
   >=x11-wm/metacity-2.10.1

   >=x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
   >=app-text/gnome-doc-utils-0.2.0

   hal? ( >=gnome-base/gnome-volume-manager-1.2.1 )

   >=gnome-extra/gal-2.4.2
   >=gnome-extra/libgtkhtml-3.6.0
   
   >=app-admin/system-tools-backends-1.2.0
   >=app-admin/gnome-system-tools-1.2.0

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: KDE/Gnome menu separation Reply with quote

FloatBest wrote:
and that into your KDE script:

Code:
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/kde/3.4/share:/usr/share"



After this it may be that you need to run kbuildsycoca before the kmenu changes. At least I needed this.
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