Gnome 2.10

{{Azrael}} · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 117

Well hyp0r, if you don't like using keywords, then you're really not using portage properly. The fact is the keywords are there to stop the everyday -arch user from using ~arch, makes sense yeh? So when you want to run ~arch you have to tell portage to do this. You can either do it using your /etc/make.conf, though this will mean ALL your packages are ~arch, or you can mix between -arch and ~arch in /etc/portage/package.keywords.

Anyway, take it or leave it, I'm not a UNIX guru, I've been learning Linux on Gentoo for 18 months, and I'de say I've learnt a bit, but obviously I don't have the same years of experience you do.

^^ p.n

Yeh just unmerge them, you'll be safe, I had to do this too

hyp0r · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 139

{{Azrael}} · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 117

Peace it is, if this can be done let me know, sounds like a cool idea.

Rapsey · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 87

For some reason it can't find the image for gnome-main-menu, anyone had this problem?

electric_hamster · n00b Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 13

hyp0r · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 139

Yes, like that. What I have in mind is the following:
You are urged to install a package distribution, that has a bunch of reverse dependencies, which all don't fit your current system-keyword. So the way you currently do it is the following:
You become a monkey and copy-paste every package you'd like to have installed into your package.keywords.
We've seen, that this list is getting damn long and is absolutely not userfriendly when it comes to updating this distribution.
I thought portage supported variables in package.keywords, but actually it does not. Variables like GV=2.10 for a gnome-version of 2.10, so you can later set this to 2.10.1 and every corresponding packages will have it's version incremented.
So why not simply add gnome-base/gnome-2.10 to it, inheriting every variable you set to it.
So you'd simply have to add gnome-2.10 to package.keywords and you will get gnome-2.10. Therefore, you should need to set a flag whether the target is a final ebuild or maybe a reference to other's. Just like programming finals and references.

Calculating the reverse-dependencies all the time will be a burden to the cpu, so we might calculate it once and cache it. We could use hashes to to check a dirty-state of this cache, so we know when to calculate a new reverse-dependency.
It's easy to follow this tree, when using >= version-requests, but it's more difficult to calculate dependencies for equals (=). To prevent portage from updating the whole system, we can set a recursion-level or a restriction to install the files, which are absolutely necessary for the application to run.

That's my raw concept, just to get you an idea of what I'm talking about. If this is to come into portage one day, the granularity for this idea can be finer than it currently is.
The target of this idea is to enable the user to include packages without setting to ~x86, unmasking packages and creating a long list of keywords. Just the root-node for the package-tree would be necessary.

I just wanted to point out, that my intention is not flaming but telling you that I'm not satisfied with the grade of complexity portage currently has.

{{Azrael}} · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 117

Could your idea also help the process of unmerging Gnome? Like, if I changed to variable to have no gnome.... :?:

Right now it's a real pain to do this...

nightfrost · Apprentice Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Sweden

First of all; I've been trying to go through the posts above, but I haven't managed to read all 25 pages of posts, so if this particular issue has been brought up earlier, I'm sorry.

I have the strangest problem with gnome 2.10. I've been having this problem across distros (an archlinux as well), so it's probably not gentoo specific. I installed Gnome 2.10, everything worked fine. I installed a theme. Changed to it, and then gnome crashed. I restarted X and then whenever I attempt to login nothing happens. The splash screen shows, but nothing more. There are only three messages from syslog; they all start with "resolved address"; two of them refer to two different files /etc/gconf, and one of them refers to a file in my home dir (I'm sorry I can't copy & paste). After trying various things without success, I decided to remove the user and its home dir, and start anew (as this is a new install anyway). But that hasn't helped either.

I'm quite sure this isn't a permission problem (no messages concerning that & I have never logged in as root (except in command line of course)). Also, the whole system is compiled with with sane flags (-O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-framepointer).

Any ideas of what this can be? I'm really at a loss here since I'm not getting any useful log messages...

hyp0r · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 139

nightfrost · Apprentice Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Sweden

...this is the weirdest thing.. I noticed that user does not have permission to /dev/null when I logged in my user at the command prompt. Messages saying that also appear if I run startx instead of a login manager. Why is that? Could this be the problem? Thanks.

pilla · Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:05 am Post subject:

Continues here.
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