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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Is Grub the best bootloader? Reply with quote

Someone told me that XOSL is much better than Grub as a bootloader. Grub hasn't failed me yet, but I like to get my hands dirty with stuff like this. Anyone used it, or know its compatitbility with Gentoo? Anyone know if changing a bootloader is difficult?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grub is "a" bootloader, thats all I will say on this topic
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both GRUB and LILO are great bootloaders.
Grub are easies to set up, and you don't have to run lilo every time you update your kernel etc.
Lilo are easies to use when using hardware RAID controllers, since grub has problems with these.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I can tell, the "newest" version of xosl is 1.1.5 ans was released on December 3rd, 2000. I think it only supports booting linux in the same way that grub supports booting winxp: by handing off to another bootloader. You would still need to use lilo, there would just be another screen before the lilo screen slowing down the boot.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have to chainload Linux, I'd say it isn't worth it... I'd just stick with grub (for now at least).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grub is definitely the easiest to maintain.
(Once you work out that the first partion on the first HDD is actually (hd0,0)......... )
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I use Grub and LILO. I had never problems with lilo.
But I had a Box with grub and dual boot (Linux, Windows) and grub can't boot Windows. Then once after many time I spend, someone said it's a BIOS that doesn't work. So I decided: I use grub where Linux is alone and lilo for dual boot.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed - I was using grub since all of the users were installing lilo:), and I agree it's well maintained piece of software and by far the best choice as a bootloader.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any way to get a more decent 'splash image' baclground with grub? The clouds are a little too girly for my taste.

I wanted something like a naked chic or a wildebeast or something that says the person that is maintaining this computer is bad ass.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grub looks nicer than lilo. But in the end, both are the same. After a kernel install/upgrade, both bootloaders need to be edited in some form or another. IMO, both are equally as good.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Th reasons why I use grub:

  • configuration is easier
  • you have a bash-like environment where you can test command before putting them on grub.lst/grub.conf without restarting your pc
  • you don't need to reinstall grub on the MBR when the configuration files are changed
  • you are able to start a bash-like environment at boot time
  • you are able to edit boot entries at boot time before the kernel is loaded
  • the bash-like environment has TAB-completition, you don't even have to knwo how many partition do you have, using TAB allow you to see your partition and their contents

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both are great. But only lilo has the sometimes very very important -R switch!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can make your own splash image for grub. It needs to follow these specifications:
- 16 colors
- 640x480
- XPM format (optionally gzipped)

You can take you favorite picture and convert it to grub format using imagemagick like this:
Code:
$ convert infile.jpg -colors 16 -resize 640x480 outfile.xpm

or something along those lines... (correct me if i'm wrong)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:04 am    Post subject: lilo -R behavior with grub Reply with quote

You can tell grub what to boot next time too. At least with 0.96, not sure what version was the first to have grub-set-default.

/boot/grub/menu.lst or grub.conf
Code:

default saved
timeout 10

title Gentoo
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda2
savedefault

title Windows
root (hd0,2)
chainloader +1
savedefault 0


A little script that I have inittab call when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Ins
/usr/local/sbin/winReboot.sh
Code:

#!/bin/sh
# Reboot into Windows (or second entry in Grub Menu)
/bin/mount /boot
/sbin/grub-set-default 1
/sbin/shutdown -r now


Now I can hit Ctrl-Alt-Ins, leave and come back to Windows. The next time it reboots, Gentoo will be the default again (that is what the savedefault 0 is for at the end of the Windows section).

You just need to have /boot mounted and run grub-set-default before you reboot for the first time with this type of menu.lst config, because it needs to create a 'default' file in your grub directory. /boot also has to be mounted anytime you run grub-set-default because it sets the default in the 'default' file in the grub directory, this is why the first thing the script does is mount /boot since it is normally unmounted.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: lilo -R behavior with grub Reply with quote

vvlly wrote:
You can tell grub what to boot next time too.

Code:
[... savedafult stuff ...]


Now I can hit Ctrl-Alt-Ins, leave and come back to Windows. The next time it reboots, Gentoo will be the default again (that is what the savedefault 0 is for at the end of the Windows section).


Ok. So they made it, nice to know :)
But it is a bit difficult to set up when it is used temporarily testing headless servers and such.
But they built it in, interesting...

Regards, Konsti
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