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JDCentral Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 112 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject: ATI or nVidia x86_64: Comparison |
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I'm building a x86_64 system this summer (AMD, nForce4), and am pretty sure about all the components I'm going to buy (Asus A8N-E, Athlon64 3000+), but am stuck on which video card to buy.
I don't want to spend more than $200-$250 on the card, (as the ENTIRE system, except for the video card, costs like $400), and am going to run Gentoo, among other things.
In the past, I have always leaned towards ATI cards - but the linux support has been 'shakey' to say the least.
Anyway - my actual question is what kinds of experiences have you had with your ATI and/or nVidia card(s)?
Please list which card(s) you've used, and on which type of system(s).
Right now I'm probably looking at a Radeon X800 XL, or an nVidia 6600 GT (PCIe).
Thanks-
Justin _________________ Gentoo Currently installed on:
Athlon XP-Mobile Barton 2600+ @ 200x12.5
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe. rev 2.0
1GB OCZ Performance PC3200 RAM
Sapphire X1650 Pro 256MB GDDR3
2x120GB Seagate 7200.1 IDE Drives
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Gherald Veteran
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1399 Location: CLUAConsole
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly ati is really no competition for nvidia on linux... and the 6600 is a better card anyway.
The last great ati card was the 9800 (only on windows tho) |
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kiel.wells Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 97
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well, iirc, the X800XL isn't even supported by ATI's drivers yet (just like the damn Xpress 200 chipset *mutter mutter mutter*).
When I was using a nVidia FX5200, I was always a couple of commands away from getting it to work, and when it didn't, it was usually something I screwed up, not them.
EDIT= *nanoed* _________________ AMD Athlon64 3000+ Winchester Core @ 1.813 GHz
Asus A8N5X
2GB RAM (4x512) PC3200 400MHz
1 200 GB HDD (SATA), 1 250GB HDD (SATA)
1 NEC DVD-RW, 1 DVD-R/CD-RW
420W Enermax ATX 2.0
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JDCentral Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 112 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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That's kind of what I figured...
Stupid.
Well.. I hate Windows more than any other peice of software imaginable.. so I 'spose nVidia is in my near future. _________________ Gentoo Currently installed on:
Athlon XP-Mobile Barton 2600+ @ 200x12.5
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe. rev 2.0
1GB OCZ Performance PC3200 RAM
Sapphire X1650 Pro 256MB GDDR3
2x120GB Seagate 7200.1 IDE Drives
1x320GB Seagate SATA Drive |
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Sm1 Apprentice
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 251 Location: Ames, IA
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I just picked up an AGP version of the 6600 GT and it puts my old 9800 pro to shame in linux. Its amazing the improvements I have seen now. |
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JDCentral Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 112 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: What about SLI? |
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What about SLI support?
Anybody tried SLI with linux? _________________ Gentoo Currently installed on:
Athlon XP-Mobile Barton 2600+ @ 200x12.5
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe. rev 2.0
1GB OCZ Performance PC3200 RAM
Sapphire X1650 Pro 256MB GDDR3
2x120GB Seagate 7200.1 IDE Drives
1x320GB Seagate SATA Drive |
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Trevoke Advocate
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 4099 Location: NY, NY
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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ATI promises (and so far, delivers) new drivers every two months (january because dec was late, feb, april).
Maybe by this summer they'll have the real big problems fixed.. What matters is that ATI is now running to catch up with NVidia and I have high hopes (you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one) _________________ Votre moment detente
What is the nature of conflict? |
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DaveHope Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 117 Location: Dorset, United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunatley I cannot talk about SLI, or PCI-E, but my XFX GeForce FX5200 is working fairly well for a budget card (~£60 at the time), having used both ATI and NVIDIA cards in linux, I'd say without a doubt that nvidia are the better cards as far as linux cards go. Besides, "emerge nvidia-kernel" is so easy |
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makton3g Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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I just buit a new computer.
AMD64 3500+ 939
2GIG Duel Channel DDR400 Ram
2 SATA Western Digitals (Raid o)
Sapphire ATI X800 256MB
First off, the computer is only seeing 128MB of video ram.
I am having an "mtrr" problem with the card
MY glxgears is around 5000FPS (4000FPS after setting "iommu" in the kernel)
If I turn Composite on, my DRI crocks.
Now here is the fun part
I am running UT2004 at 1280X1024 with everything setting set to the highest I can. I have no problems at all, and the picture is AWSOME!!!!. Now my other tower had a nvidia 5700 which was easiser to setup. However, it isn't linus without a challenge, which is why I went with the ATI.
Now can anyone help me with the glxgears score (I know it is not a benchmark, but the FPS should still be higher than that)
Also, what is 0x8000000 * 2 = ? (0x8000000 = 128MB, I need to show that I have 256Mb) |
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siu00mjt n00b
Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 39
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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0xf000000 _________________ Amd Atholon 64 3000+
gigabyte v8t800 pro
1 * 512 crucial ddr333
1 * 1024 crucial ddr333
Gforce 7600 256mb
2 * maxtor max9 160Gb ata133 drives |
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ConVicTioN Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 80 Location: Orlando
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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K8N nf3-Ultraa
3200 ~amd64
6800gt ultra
opengl glxgears 16000-17000
native games run faster on nix 10-20fps(doom3,q3,ut2k4,etc etc)
wine/cedega games are close to window performance only about 5-10fps slower.
Glxgears is a benchmark. Any one that sayes it is not just dont like there score.
It has scaled exaclty on my systems. My GF2 p3 was getting 5k glxgears scores. _________________ I think there for I am? |
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d4rk74m4 Arch/Herd Tester
Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 151
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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ConVicTioN wrote: | Glxgears is a benchmark. Any one that sayes it is not just dont like there score. |
glxgears could technically a benchmark of sorts, but it is a *terrible* benchmark.
I mean, what games only use flat-shaded polygons? I don't count glxgears a reliable indication of game performance.
Anyhow, as much as I like ATI, I have to also recommend nvidia to any linux user. Hopefully this situtation
will be very different by the end of the year, ATI have made great strides with the last couple of releases. |
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makton3g Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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siu00mjt wrote: | 0xf000000 |
Thanks, I will try this tonight. Also, I am going to run up my old linux box tonight.
P4 2GIG (no HT)
786MB ram
Nvidia 5700 128MB
80GIG IBM
My new tower should reign over the old one. If not, I do need help in getting this ATI to be right. |
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BenPope n00b
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 32
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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makton3g wrote: | Also, what is 0x8000000 * 2 = ? (0x8000000 = 128MB, I need to show that I have 256Mb) |
0x10000000
Base 16, so 2*8 = 16 which is 0x10 |
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Tùrin_Mormegil Guru
Joined: 21 Sep 2004 Posts: 478 Location: Gorizia - Milano
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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with my nVidia Geforce 5700le 256mb + Athlon64 3200+ i've never had problems.
choose ati only if you like challenges _________________ Как я рад! |
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kabage Guru
Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 340
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:17 am Post subject: My benchmarks |
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started when I put gentoo 64 on my dualboot, used quake3, (emulated 32 anyway i know) but all I had to compare
windows and linux
ATI 9600pro
Anyway quake3, in windows was 200fps
linux was 120fps ***I was embarressed for linux
After much googling and email ati I went ahead and tried the
Nvidia 5700 le, (Again I want to mention this really wasn't about nvidia ati cards , though these two are comparable except the nvidia is a 256MB and the ati 128 MB)
Anyway quake3, in windows was 330 fps -hitting 400 fps at times
linux 360 fps -hitting 600 fps at times
So we can see it wasnt gentoos fault, or win isnt superior at (opengl) games -- it was all in the driver
Of course the new pci-e or sli stuff maybe another matter but my money will only go to nvidia for video cards from now on period.
(Ok thats along time til proven otherwise _________________ The solutions are easy. Its finding them that is hard. |
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Psykk n00b
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 49
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Get the 6600GT, PCIe. It's perhaps the greatest card in existence right now, when you look at the whole picture (price, performance, upgrade capability, features). _________________ The GPL is Harmful |
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montesq Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 111 Location: Paris
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Get the 6600GT, PCIe. It's perhaps the greatest card in existence right now, when you look at the whole picture (price, performance, upgrade capability, features). |
+1
I bought a 9800 pro when it was the best ratio price/performance...
Perhaps It's a quite difficult to work all the game but i can't compare with nvidia because i've not one!
However, currently 6600 GT seems to be the best card (cf Psykk), moreover it's a nvidia card, so Go Go Go!!! |
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