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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:20 pm    Post subject: Which LiveCD Reply with quote

i have p4 1600Mhz
which livecd should i download,
from i686 or pentium3 directory?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, why do you think you ought to go with Pentium3?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

found some info about it and it sayed that pentium3 is for p3 and p4,but i wanted to be certain before i start downloading ~500mb file
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so which iso file should i download for best performance,....
or should i start from stage1 and build from there,
i really hate spending days to get system up and running with KDE/GNOME

does java work with gcc3.2?
because i need it too.

what's the estimate time for getting system running with:
+java
+X
+KDE
+Apache
+PHP
+MySQL

for P4 1.6 with 512mb of ram
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For best performance and most configurability, you should use the x86
stage1 disk and builtit all yourself, at the cost of time. However, if time is
a factor, you could certainly go with a stage3 install and probably not even
notice the performance hit...

As for how long the install would take, it's hard to say since everyone's
configurations differ. However, if I were to guess, taking into account the
specs listed above, I'd probably say around 14 or 15 hours in total. The
initial installation stages won't be that bad, but the xfree and kde installs
take a good bit of time...

--rtn

ps. Pentium 4 uses the Pentium 3 images - there aren't P4-specific images
at this time. One more reason to build from stage1. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok,will go from stage1
but i already downloaded i686 iso file can i use that to boot and install from stage1 tar file from x86 dir, or are those stage1 tar files same for everyone or does the iso even include that?

what's should i use for compiler flags(some where i readed that those goes in /etc/make.conf)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

starlord wrote:
ok,will go from stage1
but i already downloaded i686 iso file can i use that to boot and install from stage1 tar file from x86 dir, or are those stage1 tar files same for everyone or does the iso even include that?

what's should i use for compiler flags(some where i readed that those goes in /etc/make.conf)


The stage1 tarball should be architecture independant for the most part, since
you're doing all of the compiles by scratch. In the long run, it wont matter at
all if you use the x86 or whichever.

As for compiler flags, I'd really suggest something on the more conservative
side, and as you get more and more comfortable, you can increase your
optimization level if you so choose. Just make sure you read the docs and
know what you're turning on. :)

Code:
-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the quick answer,
hopefully i have gentoo running before end of the week
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i install from i686 livecd and use that cd's precompiled packages,
how can i re-compile everything to use my new compiler flags?
somewhere said that i can do this with emerge command?

after the compile does the system equal to system that has compiled from stage1?


this would be ideal solution for me if it equals to system from stage1
as i get it much faster up and running but i have option to recompile and get extra speed,compile would be performed on weekend so it doesn't distrub my work.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To recompile the pre-compiled packages on the CD, you'll need to re-"emerge" the packages, ie: emerge xfree

Depending on where you are or what you have done, determines your stage.

Stage1 = initial system (binutils, gcc, etc...)
Stage2 = basic system
Stage3 = completion of system.

The other things like xfree will need to be compiled after the system install is complete as it needs the various kernel headers etc....

Starting from stage1 will mean that you have an uber-optimized system. In the end it is of course your choice.

Yes, using a stage2 or stage3 tarball will make the installation faster - this could be at the expense of perfomance (ok, if you're using the correct arch this will be minimal)

Hope it helps...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can either recompile packages one by one chosing the ones which you think will effect performance the most or you can use this to juse recompile everything:
Code:

emerge world -e
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The enourmous amount of time spent in the whole build process towards your superwhizbang desktop asks for a more confortable livecd.

I've found out that starting from a stage2 tarball and booting knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/) to host the build is an enjoyable way to baby sit the install while having a nice and fully functional desktop environment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

starlord wrote:
so which iso file should i download for best performance,....
or should i start from stage1 and build from there,
i really hate spending days to get system up and running with KDE/GNOME

does java work with gcc3.2?
because i need it too.

what's the estimate time for getting system running with:
+java
+X
+KDE
+Apache
+PHP
+MySQL

for P4 1.6 with 512mb of ram

I'd estimate less than 24 hours from stage 1 to KDE,
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working Java+Mozilla will take quite a while. I have P4 1.5 256MB, It takes up to 4 hours to get sun-j2sdk compiled and another 1:45 to get Mozilla. I believe similarly for Konqueror or whatever browser you plan to use.
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