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mpagano Developer
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 197 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: Does Gentoo need a face? |
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After reading this Slashdot artice which concerned Branden Robinson's first report as Debian Project Leader I started to wonder if Gentoo should have similar leadership.
With this new election, we'll see many interviews with Branden and many articles written about him and his goals. Do we have a forward face to the press or are we missing out on good press by not having one?
I'm not trying to criticize our current management for I am a true believer of Gentoo, but I am of the "post daniel robbins" era so I don't know how things have changed since that transition.
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psyqil Advocate
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Have you ever heard of Martin Michlmayr? |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
Joined: 19 Jul 2003 Posts: 1719 Location: In Hiding
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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We've had press coverage... Gentoo interviews tend to be either with the relevant manager (for genuine projects) or with pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). When we had a single leader (drobbins) it caused far more problems than it solved, so I doubt we'd go that way. |
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jdgill0 Veteran
Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 1366 Location: Lexington, Ky -- USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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You see how long it's taking Debian to get their next release out the door! All the press releases they get and having a project leader doesn't seem to be moving things along any better does it? Ubuntu is on the verge of knocking Debian out!! (IMO)
Maybe not the best comparison _________________ Vim has excellent syntax highlighting for configuration files: emerge gentoo-syntax
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ciaranm Retired Dev
Joined: 19 Jul 2003 Posts: 1719 Location: In Hiding
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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jdgill0 wrote: | You see how long it's taking Debian to get their next release out the door! All the press releases they get and having a project leader doesn't seem to be moving things along any better does it? Ubuntu is on the verge of knocking Debian out!! (IMO) |
Actually, something interesting about that... Their project leader isn't anything to do with the releases. That's the release manager's job. I could post some sarcastic commentary about that, but I don't think I need to... |
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stonent Veteran
Joined: 07 Aug 2003 Posts: 1139 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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ciaranm wrote: | pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). |
That's not nice. _________________ Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
Portage on Solaris|Dell Laptop Hacks
The way you feel about organized religion is the same way I feel about organized socialism. |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | ciaranm wrote: | pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). |
That's not nice. |
Truth hurts. |
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stonent Veteran
Joined: 07 Aug 2003 Posts: 1139 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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ciaranm wrote: | stonent wrote: | ciaranm wrote: | pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). |
That's not nice. |
Truth hurts. |
"that will never get anywhere"
Sounds more like an opinion to me.
I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris. _________________ Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
Portage on Solaris|Dell Laptop Hacks
The way you feel about organized religion is the same way I feel about organized socialism. |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris. |
You'll be looking forward to it for a long time. There is no Gentoo/OpenSlowaris port planned. |
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Voltago Advocate
Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 2593 Location: userland
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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If the Gentoo project decides that it needs a face, you should try to obtain the services of this gentleman. Would do Gentoo's brand recognition no end of good. |
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Vanquirius Retired Dev
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 1297 Location: Ethereal plains
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Voltago wrote: | this gentleman |
I am even uglier, does it mean I get to be Gentoo's face?
I don't think we need a face. _________________ Hello. |
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curtis119 Bodhisattva
Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2160 Location: Toledo, Ohio,USA, North America, Earth, SOL System, Milky Way, The Universe, The Cosmos, and Beyond.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow. _________________ Gentoo: it's like wiping your ass with silk. |
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Q-collective Advocate
Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2071
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: |
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curtis119 wrote: | We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow. |
Wise words |
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SeJo Retired Dev
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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ciaranm get your facts straight,
the project does exist, it's not official yet, but it's allready working and being tested by Opensolaris team members:
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050124-newsletter.xml
and stop bashing people!
greetings _________________ "I am not bound to please thee with my answers." |
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gentoo_lan l33t
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 891 Location: Charles Town, WV
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Finally someone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see.
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rhill Retired Dev
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 1629 Location: sk.ca
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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i don't thing Gentoo needs a face in the singular, but I do sometimes wonder if it wouldn't hurt to present a clearer idea of the underlying structure to the userbase/community.
like, I know a few of the more public devs' names, or some of the herd leaders, but it's a little foggy how everyone fits together. things like Planet Gentoo and the Dev of the Week thing in the newsletter are a step in the right direction, but i still find it odd that I know more about the Debian hierarchy for example than my own distro's.
maybe it's just that Gentoo is a much less formal distribution or i haven't been paying enough attention. _________________ by design, by neglect
for a fact or just for effect |
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Fireklar n00b
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | ciaranm wrote: | stonent wrote: | ciaranm wrote: | pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). |
That's not nice. |
Truth hurts. |
"that will never get anywhere"
Sounds more like an opinion to me.
I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris. |
An opinion? You mean "a notion or conviction founded on probable evidence"? That sounds quite possible, but if you meant "a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty" then perhaps what you have just stated is the opinion. An actual counterargument wouldn't be so much your personal belief to oppose that of ciaranm, but rather some sort of contrary proof. Namely, solid evidence that pvdabeel's "hyped up bullshit" will "get somewhere".
gentoo_lan wrote: |
Finally soeone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see. |
I suppose that makes more sense than doing it when he is right. Stonent, please take notes, this is the kind of counter-example I like to see.
In conclusion, I have a friend named Justin Rich who looks very friendly. I believe his face, combined with his wealth-connotating name, would make an excellent model for the open source movement. |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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No, that's a pvdabeel unsubstantiated press release. If you believed all the crap he put out, we'd've had pathspec and portage-ng over a year ago. Remember that pvdabeel isn't allowed to recruit anyone to work on this either.
gentoo_lan wrote: | Finally soeone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see. |
Sadly, I'm not wrong. The above link is a perfect example of what my original comment in this thread was about. |
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coffeeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 96 Location: Brasil
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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curtis119 wrote: | We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow. |
another vote for Larry |
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rezza Guru
Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 434 Location: Edinburgh, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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SeJo wrote: | and stop bashing people! |
Not gonna happen, methinks _________________ screenshots
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jhunholz Apprentice
Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 154 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a bit confused here. So you're saying Gentoo has been lying about the things it's going to do or not do? How are we supposed to know what is "substantiated" vs. "unsubstantiated"? Or is this just some internal disagreement? |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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jholz7 wrote: | I'm a bit confused here. So you're saying Gentoo has been lying about the things it's going to do or not do? How are we supposed to know what is "substantiated" vs. "unsubstantiated"? Or is this just some internal disagreement? |
Gentoo didn't say anything. Pvdabeel said it, and Gentoo Weekly News (who are an unofficial news publication who do not necessarily follow the official Gentoo view on things) published it. Officially, we have no stance on OpenSlowaris and we have no plans to port things to it. |
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Lokheed Veteran
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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curtis119 wrote: | We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow. |
Thats the dumbest "mascott" and an everlasting testimate to the idiot who didnt know that cows are females and bulls are males...a constant reminder of just how dumb people can be.
We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement. _________________ You're not afraid of the dark are you? |
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ciaranm Retired Dev
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Lokheed wrote: | We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement. |
We have functionality. |
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codemaker Guru
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 398 Location: Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lokheed wrote: | curtis119 wrote: | We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow. |
Thats the dumbest "mascott" and an everlasting testimate to the idiot who didnt know that cows are females and bulls are males...a constant reminder of just how dumb people can be.
We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement. |
I like tux. Gentoo mascott could probably be a gentoo penguin |
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