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upalom00 Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 78 Location: Santa Clara
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: How do I get to Guru status? |
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Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.
In any case, I am glad the Gentoo Community is what it is |
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Cossins Veteran
Joined: 21 Mar 2003 Posts: 1136 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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upalom00 wrote: | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.
In any case, I am glad the Gentoo Community is what it is |
Just use it. Expertise will come in time. Read articles and learn to speed up the process.
- Simon _________________ who cares |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on. |
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nixnut Bodhisattva
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 10974 Location: the dutch mountains
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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upalom00 wrote: | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics. |
And don't pay any attention to the rankings on the forums. Those are merely based on the number of posts you made. So somebody who asks 300 silly questions will be ranked guru. _________________ Please add [solved] to the initial post's subject line if you feel your problem is resolved. Help answer the unanswered
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stonent Veteran
Joined: 07 Aug 2003 Posts: 1139 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: | Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on. |
Also occasionally ignore the instructions so things break, and then fix them youself. That's what I do. _________________ Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
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spb Retired Dev
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 2135 Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. |
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kimchi_sg Advocate
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 2969
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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spb wrote: | Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. |
No need. Just try to enable selinux on an x86. |
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spb Retired Dev
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 2135 Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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kimchi_sg wrote: | No need. Just try to enable selinux on an x86. | Nah, far too easy. |
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shash Apprentice
Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 220 Location: India
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Amatures!
Go out and buy a microprocessor (any kind), hard-wire a board for it, and build a homebrew CPU. Now, try getting SELinux running on it!
PS: I'm not a guru! |
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Insanity5902 Veteran
Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 1228 Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | pjp wrote: | Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on. |
Also occasionally ignore the instructions so things break, and then fix them youself. That's what I do. |
is that purposefully or accidently
The biggest hting that helps me is to read through the docs, then go do it while trying not to look at the doc. Search the fourms for a lot of the answers, don't just ask. By searching it will not allways fix it with teh first search, but you learn more that way, then just asking a question and getting an answer. _________________ Join the adopt an unanswered post initiative today |
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Athas Guru
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Posts: 394 Location: Brøndby, Denmark
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krolden Apprentice
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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shash wrote: | and build a homebrew CPU |
You might wanna stop by at AMD or Intel to borrow some of their equipment. You can design your own chip, but you certainly will not have the right equipment to actually build it. |
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shash Apprentice
Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 220 Location: India
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessarily the entire chip...
You can solder yourself the board of a simpler system, though. Like an 8086 or an M68K, or (though I've never seen such) an ARM...
In fact, it's a long-term plan of mine to make an 8086 or an 8051 board that can hook up with the PC through serial port/USB. |
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hollywoodcole n00b
Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 68 Location: Oxford, Mississippi
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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Athas wrote: | upalom00 wrote: | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics. |
Try Linux from Scratch, and prepare for many a sleepless night. |
Thats seems like a good way to learn, think I'm gonna give that a try! _________________ If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably wrong.
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Khlept0 n00b
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 18
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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If breaking shit could make you a veteran, I'd own this distro. |
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Vann Guru
Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 357
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: |
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I learned most of what I know about Linux internals from LFS, so I recommend that, too. I only switched to Gentoo because it became such a pain in the ass to manually configure everything and keep track of what was or wasn't installed. |
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christsong84 Veteran
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 1003 Location: GMT-8 (Spokane)
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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trying stuff...askin for help and learning from the responses...helping those with their problems
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DragonBite n00b
Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 11 Location: New England, USA
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. | You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush!
My baby daughter came at a great time! Whenever I was up in the middle of the night trying to get her to fall asleep, I'd start fiddling around Linux! By the time I get something up and running it was almost gaurenteed she'd be fast asleep. Just hope she picked up some of it through osmisis! |
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Verted Guru
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 480 Location: London, England
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree with what most people are saying. When I first installed Gentoo (Which was my first distro), I was following the steps, but didnt really understand what each step did, why it was neccessary, etc. Now, 10 months later, I understand pretty much every task I do. I wouldnt say I was a 'Guru', because that would take years, and knowledge on a broader scale. Anyway, it is fair to say that, as with all area's of computers, experience is key. _________________ Thanks,
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upalom00 Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 78 Location: Santa Clara
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...I didn't t think I would get so many responses. And even more so...so many reads.
I thought I might throw so more stuff out there....
Some of you mention LFS. Well...I thought maybe doing that, and then installing portage on that to simulate Gentoo.
I've also thought of just trying install Gentoo multiple times so I get an understanding of the install instead of a step by step process.
I have a working system now ... and I am happy with it. So, I probably won't trash this one. I think I might just use another hard drive and do the installs and experiementing on that.
Of course, I will continue to do some more reading, asking questions, and maybe even at some point answer some questions. I'm impressed when many of you can answer questions that gets posted on these boards. I hope one day to be at a level of comfort to do the same. |
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frameRATE Guru
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 386 Location: Orange County California
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Khlept0 wrote: | If breaking shit could make you a veteran, I'd own this distro. |
Best post ever. _________________
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howto install coldfusion mx 7 under gentoo |
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Lechium Apprentice
Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 244
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =) |
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spb Retired Dev
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 2135 Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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DragonBite wrote: | Quote: | Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. | You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush! | Just for clarification, one of those useful things is that documentation is there for a reason. |
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TheCoop Veteran
Joined: 15 Jun 2002 Posts: 1814 Location: Where you least expect it
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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spb wrote: | DragonBite wrote: | Quote: | Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. | You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush! | Just for clarification, one of those useful things is that documentation is there for a reason. |
Stop being so boring _________________ 95% of all computer errors occur between chair and keyboard (TM)
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Verted Guru
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 480 Location: London, England
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Lechium wrote: | Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =) |
Lol. I dont think those are supposed to be taken too seriously. I mean, what is 'Developer' all about!? _________________ Thanks,
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