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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: How do I get to Guru status? Reply with quote

Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.

In any case, I am glad the Gentoo Community is what it is :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? Reply with quote

upalom00 wrote:
Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.

In any case, I am glad the Gentoo Community is what it is :)

Just use it. Expertise will come in time. Read articles and learn to speed up the process.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? Reply with quote

upalom00 wrote:
Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.

And don't pay any attention to the rankings on the forums. Those are merely based on the number of posts you made. So somebody who asks 300 silly questions will be ranked guru.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on.


Also occasionally ignore the instructions so things break, and then fix them youself. That's what I do.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things. :)

No need. Just try to enable selinux on an x86. :P
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi_sg wrote:
No need. Just try to enable selinux on an x86. :P
Nah, far too easy.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amatures!

Go out and buy a microprocessor (any kind), hard-wire a board for it, and build a homebrew CPU. Now, try getting SELinux running on it! :twisted:

PS: I'm not a guru!:oops:
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonent wrote:
pjp wrote:
Do stuff. Don't just follow step by step instructions. Try to understand what is going on.


Also occasionally ignore the instructions so things break, and then fix them youself. That's what I do.


is that purposefully or accidently :P

The biggest hting that helps me is to read through the docs, then go do it while trying not to look at the doc. Search the fourms for a lot of the answers, don't just ask. By searching it will not allways fix it with teh first search, but you learn more that way, then just asking a question and getting an answer.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? Reply with quote

upalom00 wrote:
Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.


Try Linux from Scratch, and prepare for many a sleepless night.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shash wrote:
and build a homebrew CPU


You might wanna stop by at AMD or Intel to borrow some of their equipment. You can design your own chip, but you certainly will not have the right equipment to actually build it. :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necessarily the entire chip...

You can solder yourself the board of a simpler system, though. Like an 8086 or an M68K, or (though I've never seen such) an ARM...

In fact, it's a long-term plan of mine to make an 8086 or an 8051 board that can hook up with the PC through serial port/USB.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? Reply with quote

Athas wrote:
upalom00 wrote:
Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics.


Try Linux from Scratch, and prepare for many a sleepless night.


Thats seems like a good way to learn, think I'm gonna give that a try!
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If breaking shit could make you a veteran, I'd own this distro.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned most of what I know about Linux internals from LFS, so I recommend that, too. I only switched to Gentoo because it became such a pain in the ass to manually configure everything and keep track of what was or wasn't installed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trying stuff...askin for help and learning from the responses...helping those with their problems

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things.
You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush! :oops:

My baby daughter came at a great time! Whenever I was up in the middle of the night trying to get her to fall asleep, I'd start fiddling around Linux! By the time I get something up and running it was almost gaurenteed she'd be fast asleep. Just hope she picked up some of it through osmisis! ;)
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree with what most people are saying. When I first installed Gentoo (Which was my first distro), I was following the steps, but didnt really understand what each step did, why it was neccessary, etc. Now, 10 months later, I understand pretty much every task I do. I wouldnt say I was a 'Guru', because that would take years, and knowledge on a broader scale. Anyway, it is fair to say that, as with all area's of computers, experience is key.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...I didn't t think I would get so many responses. And even more so...so many reads.

I thought I might throw so more stuff out there....

Some of you mention LFS. Well...I thought maybe doing that, and then installing portage on that to simulate Gentoo.
I've also thought of just trying install Gentoo multiple times so I get an understanding of the install instead of a step by step process.

I have a working system now ... and I am happy with it. So, I probably won't trash this one. I think I might just use another hard drive and do the installs and experiementing on that.

Of course, I will continue to do some more reading, asking questions, and maybe even at some point answer some questions. I'm impressed when many of you can answer questions that gets posted on these boards. I hope one day to be at a level of comfort to do the same.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khlept0 wrote:
If breaking shit could make you a veteran, I'd own this distro.


Best post ever.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =)
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things.
You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush! :oops:
Just for clarification, one of those useful things is that documentation is there for a reason.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spb wrote:
DragonBite wrote:
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Find an SGI mips machine on ebay and try to install gentoo on that without reading the docs. That should teach you several useful things.
You'll either learn Linux, or learn a few new words to make a Biker blush! :oops:
Just for clarification, one of those useful things is that documentation is there for a reason.

Stop being so boring :P
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lechium wrote:
Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =)


Lol. I dont think those are supposed to be taken too seriously. I mean, what is 'Developer' all about!?:P
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