Jackass! 2005.0 Support Group

Old School · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject:

Stephonovich wrote:

Stephonovich · n00b Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 72 Location: United States

Slalomsk8er · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:34 am Post subject:

First a big thank you to the Jackass! crew: Best Gentoo ever!!!

And now to the not so funny part

I think the doku needs some updating:

First, the kernel sources from the portage snappshot are no longer on the mirrors, at least not on the ones portage tryed before I pressed Ctrl+C followed by a emerge sync && emerge gentoo-sources.

Second, the grub splash and gensplash do not show up. I get a blinking line in the top left corner after the time is up the default kernel boots with a screen that is a mess of ASCII till it suddenly turn off all splash things and looks like a normal console and boots all the way to the login.

Exept the emerge sync and other partitions I followed the install doku to the point. I configured the framebuffer in to the kernel but I remember that I got some strange messages while configuring the gensplash resolutions (some thing not configured).

But all in all it was my best gentoo installation ever (ca. 15 I must be crazy) and I hope this will end in a system that I can use to work with (GNOME GIMP Blender). The only gentoo I got to actually work on is the Vidalinux from whitch I am writing now.

PS: Sorry for the spelling, it is to late (3am) to check it

96140 · Retired Dev Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1324

In regards to the disappearance of certain kernel 2.6.11 files, it appears that kernels =< 2.6.11 have been masked from the stable tree (at least on x86), as the 2.6.12 series has replaced it. I'm still running 2.6.11, but Portage has let me know that this series is now masked.

EDIT: In fact, examining the online package database shows that gentoo-sources now has no listings whatsoever for the 2.6.11 kernels, only 2.6.10 and 2.6.12. The .11 kernel doesn't even show up as a masked package. They really must have removed some or all of its files from the mirrors without any explanation.

...so this might affect exactly what's available to the included Jackass! Portage snapshot.

Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

From the Stage 1/3 Support Thread:

Quick Reference: Common Errors Associated with Stage 1/3 Installs

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Framebuffer Problems with 2.6.12 Kernels https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229-start-40.html

MHenry676 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 125

I have installed Jackass Athlon-XP on a software RAID and been running it for over a month. Absolutely no problems with it (as far as Jackass is concerned). I have another computer running an athlon-tbird 1.3GHz that I'd like to get running Jackass as well. I read through the forums that you won't make a tarball for it and that's fine. I was wondering if I could take one of the pentium stages and recompile for the athlon-tbird, changing the CFLAGS as neccessary, and doing emerge -e system twice. I'd like to do the same with an old K6-2 550 as well. Would I use the P3 stage for Athlon Tbird and P2 for K6-2?

Also, what about the extra CFLAGS options like -fforce-addr? If you know off the top of your head what would be best for these cpus, great. If not, where would I find a good refference on what options are compatiable with what cpu's?

BTW: Your site seems to be down. What other links can I use to get the ISOs?
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Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

i have to admit that i am an Intel guy and that i don't own many AMD boxes, so there's a limit to how much help i can offer regarding AMD architecture flags. make.conf.example specifically cites some of the perils that are inherent with arch and chost specifications for AMD chips, so be careful.

the CFLAGS that we used for Jackass! have been extensively tested. i would not recommend that you add any CFLAGS to them, unless you are willing to perform extensive testing and accept failures along the way. i think that the CFLAGS that are used in the project are the only CFLAGS that should be used, and that attempting to add anything is only asking for trouble and expecting diminishing returns from a performance perspective.

yes, the site is down for maintenance. occasional downtime should be expected, because i'm running the site on an old pentium-class box that is made out of spare parts, not on professional server webspace. its not very reliable and it often breaks. today i was lucky enough to get some spare parts so the server is down for a hardware upgrade today. i know that this is inconvenient, but i just don't have the parts to build one decent server, not to mention running redundant servers. we're still waiting for that first cash donation to go to the replacement server fund... in the interim, we're still looking for hardware and users can expect frequent hardware related server downtime to be the norm.

Slalomsk8er · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject:

Ups, it was to late I must have over read the info.

Gensplash works now but I have still no grub splash, I don't think this is a Jackass! problem (more a PCI radeon thing).

Bob you were puzzled by the fact of so less md5sum users. I think I read the answer here in this thread, but how about a torrent for Jackass! with a dedicated tracker you would have very good statistics and the download program checks for bad parts.

I would donate you a lot of money if I would have it, hardware is also not good becouse the shiping would cost more then it is worth today. So the last thing I can offer you is my bandwidth, if we find a way to make my server auto update and install some sort of load balancing on your server (sort of distributed server cluster).

My old thunderbird was before my gentoo time so I can not help here but may be you have some luck with the athlon XP iso, thunderbird and athlon XP are similar. If cat /proc/cpuinfo gives you the same flags there is no problem

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse pni syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow

MHenry676 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 125

Here's the proc/cpuinfo on my Athlon Thunderbird. Just FYI, it's actually the 1.4GHz 266MHz FSB model, but the board is only 200MHz.

MHenry676 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 125

Ok, I decided to do the Stage 1/3 install, but using the jackass-athlon-xp stage to see if it works. Some steps I'm skipping, like doing an emerge --sync. Now, when doing this, do I have to update the gcc compiler? I tried using the command (doing a fetch first):

Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

you're right, if you're doing a Stage 1/3 install, then you're not using the Jackass! Toolkit and you're asking for help in the wrong place. insofar as you are aware of the Stage 1/3 threads, i would think that you'd post Stage 1/3 questions in them. doing that would help to keep your posts confined to threads where they're relevant, and would help to keep the support threads on focus.

on the subject of getting support for Jackass! on unsupported architectures -- sorry, but we don't do that. if there's not a Jackass! ISO for your architecture, then your platform is unsupported and your only recourse is to do a Stage 1/3 on your own.

Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

MIRRORS NEEDED

We desperately need mirrors to host the Jackass! ISO files. At present, we only have two mirrors, and one of our mirrors seems to have gone dead for quite some time. As a result, the one remaining mirror is being punished for doing a good deed because everyone is using him for downloads.

I would like to add at least another couple of mirrors, preferably in the USA and Europe to help to facilitate the download process and make life easier on everyone. The mirrors operate using Rsync. If you can spare 1.2 GB of space and some bandwidth and you'd like to help, please send me a Private Message by clicking on the link below.

I would like to thank Eric Davis at Compuextreme.com for doing the lion's share of the ISO hosting. Unfortunately, asking one person to donate a server and all of the bandwidth that's required to exclusively host the ISO files just isn't fair, and this type of situation cannot last. Ultimately, if this problem persists we might have to move the ISOs off of the high bandwidth mirrors which would make acquiring the files difficult for everyone. Please help if you can.

Thanks.

todd18 · n00b Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 17 Location: USA

Ok, I've reached the point in my first Jackass! installation where I am emerging the kernel (gentoo-sources). However, on the first package (genpatches), emerge tries all of the seven mirrors I have listed in /etc/make.conf and comes up empty handing saying that the file doesn't exist. I've gone to various mirrors on Gentoo.org to try and download the package manually, but portage isn't wrong, the packages really aren't there (they *are* suppossed to be in distfiles, right?). Does anyone have any idea where I can find this package and/or how I can finish this installation (without using the generic Linux kernel). Thanks Jackasses!
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96140 · Retired Dev Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1324

Please read the previous page in this thread, as well as the very first page.

Kernel 2.6.11* has been removed from the mirrors. You have to use >=2.6.12.

nxsty · Veteran Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 1556 Location: .se

"As a result of these three enhancements, The Jackass! Toolkit significantly outperforms plain-vanilla Gentoo (and probably every other version of Linux that runs on the x86 platform)."

That's quite a claim! Do you have any numbers to support it?

taipan67 · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:

Hi guys! Bob, i dunno if you'll recognise my name, but it may give you a warm, tingly feeling to know that i'm about to install Jackass!, having finally decided to abandon reiser4 after stumbling across a post from kimchi_sg on the subject (he & i started playing with reiser4 at the same time - guess i was luckier...).

So i've got the appropriate image for my athlon-xp (md5sum'ed prior to burning :wink:

), thoroughly read the pdf-manual, & searched the 'Unsupported Software' forum for 'jackass AND sync'...

Here's my question before i start installing :- What's the team's present thinking about when to sync portage? I'd hoped to be able to build my desired world with your stable snapshot, but it sounds like that's not gonna be feasible.

My idea prior to your response is to extract the Jackass! tarball, adjust the config files, & once in the chrooted environment, 'emerge --sync' immediately, & run 'emwrap.sh -se', so the toolchain's protected but the rest of the 'system' is current. I know this defeats the purpose of having the stable system that you've so generously provided, but aside from 'gentoo-sources' sounding as if they're gonna defeat the supplied snapshot, it also sounds like 'udev' might need an upgrade, & probably 'portage', too.

Hope to hear from one or more of you soon, so i can junk the system i'm browsing from & get my Jackass! kickin'!

EDIT: The tarball on my downloaded CD is dated 11th May 2005, by the way (just in case they vary).
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samehada · n00b Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 3

jackass is awesome!!
thanks for all the hard work Bob P & company!!

similarly to several of the previous posters, i could not install jackass in its pristine state due to missing kernel files (from the mirrors). i did a manual ebuild update and installed the latest stable gentoo-sources kernel (2.6.12-r6) but ran into problems trying to emerge splashutils and/or manually ebuild/digest newer builds of splashutils.

so, my n00b question is this: is there a gentoo-sources kernel that is available from the mirrors and works without b0rking (packages from) the stable portage snapshot included with jackass?

i am itching to "emerge --sync"/"emwrap.sh -se" myself -- is there still a way to get a working jackass without emerge --sync at the beginning??

thanks & cheers!

taipan67 · Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject:

Stephonovich · n00b Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 72 Location: United States

taipan67 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:49 am Post subject:

Laetos · n00b Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 27 Location: utopia

Hi guys

build my Jack!Ass in May and im having lately emerge errors which i hope dont come from not reading An emerge wrapper for more correctly building the toolchain.
tbh i wasnt aware about TC beeing such a JackAss *jk* ;-)

Well now im trieng to figure out how to make use of hielvc wisdom.

errors i get are in the style of

Bob P · Advocate Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3374 Location: USA

samehada · n00b Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 3

ok, very basic very n00b question:

Which packages constitute the "Jackass! toolkit" that one should avoid updating to maintain the original "Jackass! toolkit"?

Any in addition to these?