Jackass! 2005.0 Support Group

Sith_Happens · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject:

You know, I never looked into this before, but there is no such thing as /etc/conf.d/hostname or /etc/conf.d/domainname, neither of those runscripts even use conf.d files, if you look at the initscripts themselves, both read from /etc/hostname and /etc/domainname respectively. So running echo "oops" > /etc/conf.d/hostname does absolutely nothing. The correct sequence to set your domain name and host name should be as follows (taken from the 2005.0 documentation):

Bob P · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:

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Sade · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject:

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Bob P · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:

well, this is another one of thoses cases where we pay the price for living on the bleeding edge. unlike BSD, where changes have to go through committees and take forever to implement, changes happen pretty quickly in Gentoo.

if you search the message bases about this, you'll see plenty of reports where the whole /conf.d business has moved into and out of the stable baselayouts. there are plenty of reports of people using baselayouts like the one we've used for Jackass!, and having bootup error messages telling them to avoid the use of /etc/hostname and /etc/domainname because these methods were deprecated, and instructing the user to use the conf.d methods.

unfortunately, Gentoo has implemented this standard and backpedaled on it enough times that i had to put both methods into the Stage 1/3 documentation so that i wouldn't have to keep changing it. well, now that i've assumed that the problem had stabilized and removed the "old way" of doing things from the documentation, i find that i have to put it back in again.

<sigh>

sometimes Gentoo makes me feel like i'm shooting at a moving target!
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Hikaru79 · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject:

Just to clear things up from earlier, the problems with portage weren't Jackass's fault after all -- I tried a few other distros and they all had similar problems on that one computer, leading me to the conclusion that the hard drive is simply roasted.

Instead, I decided to give Jackass a spin on this machine, and so far it's going off without any problems =D Yay for the Jackass team!
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Bob P · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:00 am Post subject:

well, i'm glad to hear that! i was pulling my hair out trying to figure out what we did wrong!
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ccutler · n00b Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 28

FYI: I also had to put my hostname in /etc/hostname for it to work

micko · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:38 am Post subject:

Is there any reason why the installation guide is available only as PDF? I don't think that's practical. It would be a lot better to have it html or text so I can have the guide open on another virtual console.

Sith_Happens · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject:

Bob P · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject:

i'm in the process of revising the Official documentation, which remains in a state of transition. i had decided not to publish an HTML version of the docs for a couple of reasons, one of which is that it becomes far more labor intensive to maintain multiple versions of the documentation than it is to maintain one version of the documentation. so for now, it looks like an HTML version of the Copyrighted documentation isn't in the cards -- at least not until the documentation has finished being revised.

the really good news is that we're not leaving you high and dry! when we were designing Jackass! we had actually considered making an HTML document for those people who wanted to perform the install using a program such as Links. there was actually a point in the development of project where we had made changes the Jackass! tarballs that had made them behave differently from the Gentoo tarballs. in that situation, we had planned on releasing a specific HTML version of the docs for exactly the reasons you've asked.

ultimately, we decided to abort the changes to Jackass! that would have rendered it non-interchangeable from a behavioral standpoint with the typical Gentoo tarballs. Jackass!, as it is released, contains tarballs that behave exactly as if they were Gentoo Stage 3 tarballs. the really good news is that if you need an HTML version of an Installation Guide, you can use the Gentoo Installation Handbook for x86 in html format, just as if you were performing a Stage 3 install using an Official Gentoo Tarball. :!:

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Sith_Happens · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject:

The only big difference in terms of the install between the 2005.0 tarballs and the Jackass! tarballs is that a portage snapshot is included in the Jackass! tarballs. So you can skip the section on installing a portage snapshot.
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96140 · Retired Dev Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1324

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ccutler · n00b Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 28

just out of curiosity, are there any pros/cons to doing an 'emerge --sync && emerge --update --deep --newuse world' after install?

[edit:] I only ask because I had read to not do a sync during the install , and I am curious if rebuilding the world will affect any beneficial aspects of using jackass in the first place [/edit]

Hikaru79 · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject:

I'm starting to have some problems with udev ... permission problems that I'm able to fix, but I'm not convinced I'm doing it right. For example, I was having the "-bash: /dev/null: Permission denied" error today. I Chmodd'ed it to 666 and the problem's gone for now, but my solution feels a bit hackish and not very ideal. Also, whenever I try to use my sound card, I get:

Sith_Happens · crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1, 3 Dec 31 1969 null

Well, I can tell you one thing. If you want to use audio devices as an unprivileged user, that user needs to in the audio group. I'm not sure about your problem with /dev/null, but on my system (devfs), these are the permissions on /dev/null:

Bob P · Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:12 am Post subject:

Bob P · Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:13 am Post subject:

micko · Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:

Bob P, ok, that explanation suits me fine. One of the reasons why I asked was that the PDF doesn't work well on my computer at work. I don't know what's wrong but it seems to have pages missing and images not showing. I get a few error messages from Adobe Reader while the PDF is open... But I'll try to view it with another computer.

I've also had a problem installing the Jackass. Nvidia-kernel doesn't seem to compile properly. No errors anywhere, but when loading the module it says it's not a proper module (I'll check the exact error message in a while). I tried both x86 and ~x86. I also tried it with 4kb and 8kb kernel stacks, because some older nvidia-kernel had problems with 4kb stacks.

I was thinking if it was possible to compile it with more conservative CFLAGS. Such as "-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer". All my other systems has been compiled using that and I haven't seen this problem with them... Only problem now is how to emerge it using those CFLAGS. Can I run 'CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" emerge nvidia-kernel'? Is there a file such as packages.use for this?

So far this has been the only problem. Everything else has compiled fine.

Edit: The exact error while loading module nvidia is:
FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r6/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format

Edit2: Hmmm... https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-330666-highlight-fatal+error+inserting+nvidia+invalid+module+format.html
Looks like someone else has had the same problem with Bob P's Stage 1/3 method. Why does it say the kernel is compiled with gcc 3.3.5 when I'm running a pure Jackass 2005.0 install? Well... Only thing that isn't Jackass is my /boot partition which has some of my old kernels.

micko · Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:

Ok... Now I got it working. I have no idea why cat /proc/version said I have compiled the kernel using gcc 3.3.5, but I recompiled it and now it's working.

Btw I don't know if I'm just imaging it but it feels like my laptop is now faster even when compiling...

Edit: Now another problem I've never seen before trying Jackass. While emerging KDE 3.4:

*** Gentoo sanity check failed! ***
*** libtool.m4 and ltmain.sh have a version mismatch! ***
*** (libtool.m4 = 1.5.14, ltmain.sh = 1.5) ***

Trying to re-emerge libtool...

Edit: I found a bug on this on bugs.gentoo.org. Sorry to bother you.

Works now.

mudrii · l33t Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 789 Location: Singapore

Hi all
it is nice to sea iptables included in LiveCD and some other stuff like mc may be even Wiondow manager.
Do you have such plans ?

iptables ca be very very usefull whan installing Gentoo Jackass on gateway or proxy without disconecting network.

mudrii · l33t Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 789 Location: Singapore

You have some problem in CFLAGS recommendation
After cecking GCC manual and compare with your flags i discover some inconsistency
You recomand for CFLAGS