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| vipernicus wrote: | | Nice release. I used Gentoo from November04-April05, used the stage1 gentoo default install, really liked portage, but found Gentoo to be slower than most Linux distros, and ditched it for ArchLinux until recently when I tried your Jackass Install method. After some research, I installed your P4 tarball, set my package.keywords to where I couldn't stupidly upgrade my GCC 3.4.3, set up ext3 w/ dir_index&full_journal, and started installing. And I must say my system is now blazing, and I have not had one package fail on me yet. Thank you. |
thanks for the feedback.  i've always felt that Gentoo is the quickest distro available when its built properly for your individual PC. unfortunately, the process of building Gentoo the "right" way isn't something that's obvious or easy to accomplish.
Jackass! was designed to vastly simplify the process of getting the build "right" for the individual architectures that we support. by "right" i mean "my way" of course.  i'm a little biased, but I think that the combination of GCC 3.4.3, NPTL and Reiser is the winning combination. i think that the only distro that's even competitive right now may be FC3.
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| Bob P wrote: | our objective in choosing a portage snapshot for the Jackass! tarball construction was to select a portage tree that contained no errors in the files that comprise The Jackass! Toolkit. we made no effort whatsoever to test every package in the portage tree.
we extensively tested Jackass! to assure that it worked properly when you used the packages we provided and when you followed our directions. if you choose to deviate from the directions, well, there's no way for us to predict what packages you'll install or whether or not they will work. i hope that you realize that its just not possible for us to test the entire portage tree.
the purpose of our Jackass! Portage Snapshot is to create a working basic system that would successfully complete a Stage 1/3 Install to build a stable set of Jackass! tarballs. We did extensive testing about that, and Jackass! works.
testing the portage tree to ensure a trouble-free Jackass! toolkit was a monumental undertaking. it required a small army of helpers, and the result is a portage tree that is included on our CD that is GUARANTEED to be free of defects in both the toolkit and in the packages used in the Installation Guide. as the support threads will show, its a truly rare day for Gentoo when the portage tree is totally free of errors for all of the major toolkit components. we've solved that problem with the snapshot that we include on the CD.
if it turns out that your portage snapshot has some other ebuild that fails, well, you've just fallen subject to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. blame the ebuild maintainer, and resync to get the new ebuild. but when you do, bear in mind that you should not rebuild your toolkit unless you like to take chances. this is a fine example of why everyone should be using hielvc's update script to update world packages and not toolkit packages. |
I totally understand this, and am not blaming the Jackass! team for it. I just felt it should be mentioned should anyone else attempt it.
As for the update script, I looked at it, and I'm curious as to how it applies. It seems to me it's used if you're updating your toolchain, or packages that will do so. fileSystemXprogs don't do either, AFAIK.
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| Stephonovich wrote: | I totally understand this, and am not blaming the Jackass! team for it. I just felt it should be mentioned should anyone else attempt it.
As for the update script, I looked at it, and I'm curious as to how it applies. It seems to me it's used if you're updating your toolchain, or packages that will do so. fileSystemXprogs don't do either, AFAIK. |
thanks. its always good to have feedback on what works and what doesn't. my intent was only to say that we tested both the toolkit and the filesystems when we were building Jackass!, but we limited the filesystems that we tested, and didn't test everything. posting feedback like yours is actually a good thing, as the answer is there should anyone else need to search for it.
as far as the script thing goes, there may be subtle differences between how hielvc's and minderaser's scripts work. i use the minderaser script, and AFAIK when you do a non-toolkit world update, it will update the filesystem programs. you might need to double check on that.
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| Bob P wrote: | | as far as the script thing goes, there may be subtle differences between how hielvc's and minderaser's scripts work. i use the minderaser script, and AFAIK when you do a non-toolkit world update, it will update the filesystem programs. you might need to double check on that. |
Indeed it does. I was under the impression it was used only for updating your toolchain - nothing else. Just grabbed minderaser's, and discovered it makes sure other programs don't clobber your TC. Ah... the light dawns.
Anyway, currently fetching a ton of things, since I currently only have a console. I'll compile them overnight and see how that goes. I'm pretty certain I can finish all of them (only biggies are Xorg, Firefox, and GIMP) in one night. Might also run that script after it's done. I ran it to test, and it found 45 things to update. The only gripe I have with it is that it has no --fetch-only option. Ah well.
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Is there somewhere on the install iso's the kernel config used? If not, then I belive a usefull addition to JackAss documentation would be to list the kernel config files for reference. Possibly on the website. Of the 5 installs I have done, the majority of time spent on any step was kernel configuration. Just a thought.
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| BertsInn wrote: | | Is there somewhere on the install iso's the kernel config used? If not, then I belive a usefull addition to JackAss documentation would be to list the kernel config files for reference. Possibly on the website. Of the 5 installs I have done, the majority of time spent on any step was kernel configuration. Just a thought. |
Every machine (unless they're identical, of course) is going to have a different kernel config. You can opt to use Genkernel, which basically adds in support for everything, but that defeats the entire point of a customized, purpose-built OS.
One option is to copy the .config file (located by default in /usr/src/linux) to either another partition or removeable media, such as a pendrive. Then you copy it to your new kernel sources directory whenever you upgrade, and it should load it by default. Just make sure to check the release file for any new options.
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| Stephonovich wrote: | | BertsInn wrote: | | Is there somewhere on the install iso's the kernel config used? If not, then I belive a usefull addition to JackAss documentation would be to list the kernel config files for reference. Possibly on the website. Of the 5 installs I have done, the majority of time spent on any step was kernel configuration. Just a thought. |
Every machine (unless they're identical, of course) is going to have a different kernel config. You can opt to use Genkernel, which basically adds in support for everything, but that defeats the entire point of a customized, purpose-built OS.
One option is to copy the .config file (located by default in /usr/src/linux) to either another partition or removeable media, such as a pendrive. Then you copy it to your new kernel sources directory whenever you upgrade, and it should load it by default. Just make sure to check the release file for any new options. |
Or you could use genkernel.
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| I can't wait to get home and get this thing rolling, it looks crazy. Good job with the site and documentation! |
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| Baix wrote: | | it looks crazy |
Crazy? They say madness runs in my family. Some even call me mad. And why? Because I dared to dream of my own race of atomic monsters, atomic supermen with octagonal shaped bodies that suck blood...  (futurama quote)
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| Baix wrote: | | I can't wait to get home and get this thing rolling, it looks crazy. Good job with the site and documentation! |
Sith can take a bow for the web design. 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: DSL Cable loose again?--SOLVED-- |
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I am getting either a "404 Not Found, or a "Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers" while trying to emerge the sources. Is there a server issue?
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Just having a little prob connecting...thought maybe server was down...my bad. Just getting some connection errors!
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i have read this thread from the beginning but still cant get my answer. very tempted to 'jack my pc's ass' but then still doubting on the make.conf optimizations which jackass said not to be changed. i'm on athlon-xp
what's the difference of stage1/3 and jackass? still don't get it although i've been reading since 2days ago.
| Quote: | processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 6
model : 10
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 1830.468
cache size : 512 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse pni syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
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| arjay wrote: |
Just having a little prob connecting...thought maybe server was down...my bad. Just getting some connection errors! |
the server has been up without any problems since it got a new IP address last week, and the activity logs show that it is working without any problems. if i had to guess, i'd say that the problem is at your end. unfortunately, your messages aren't very specific, so i don't know what to say.
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| cubchai wrote: | i have read this thread from the beginning but still cant get my answer. very tempted to 'jack my pc's ass' but then still doubting on the make.conf optimizations which jackass said not to be changed. i'm on athlon-xp
what's the difference of stage1/3 and jackass? still don't get it although i've been reading since 2days ago.
| Quote: | processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 6
model : 10
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 1830.468
cache size : 512 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse pni syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips : 3612.67 |
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check out the "Jackass! is Released!" thread in OTW, or the Jackass! development threads. essentially, Jackass! is a canned Stage 1/3 install for each of the supported arches.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:11 am Post subject: Grub Error: "Error 15: File not found" |
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I'm pretty much certain I followed the install doc completely (I used ext3 instead of reiserfs); however I must've done something wrong because I get the following grub error when I try to boot:
| Code: | Booting 'Gentoo-2.6.11-r11'
root (hd0,0)
Filesystem type is ext2fs, parittion type 0x83
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda3 video=vesafb:ywrap,pimipal,1024x768-
Error 15: File not found
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What did I do wrong?
What can I do to fix it?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Grub Error: "Error 15: File not found" |
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Error 15: File not found
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Solved that silly mistake by just using reiserfs. However I get the following kernel error on boot:
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[<c0101365>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0x10
Code: 87 f0 02 00 00 7b 80 40 21 00 00 c7 44 24 04 f6 73 45 c0 c7 04 24 28 52 46 c0 89 44 24 08 e8 24 98 df ff 83 eb 02 74 9a <8b> 56 04 8b 0e 89 d0 f7 d0 39 c8 75 bf 8b 44 24 18 0f c9 89 4c
<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
Am I correct in thinking that this has something to do with how I configured my kernel?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject: Thank-you!! |
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A special thanks to all of the developers of this toolkit. Not without considerable error (on my part), I am completely jackassed, and for just the second time since becoming a devoted gentooer, am in a minimally installed KDE environment. Even better, thanks to what I've learned regarding updating my system here, I feel (somewhat) confident that I can keep it up (sort of a digital viagra ). I have struggled through my 1st merge -e system (which took forever and required a couple of other merges to complete), thought I'd take a break to see if X would work, BAM, here I am!
My plan is to get the script now, and use that to keep my system healthy (Just say NO to emerge -uD newuse world!). Like I mentioned though, this is my second time making it this far with a Gentoo installation, so I'm still biting my lip a little, but it has never worked this well before thanks to your efforts!
I've installed this on an A30p ThinkPad (yes it's a Pentium M) as a Pentium III, and couldn't be more satisfied.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Thank-you!! |
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| arjay wrote: | A special thanks to all of the developers of this toolkit. Not without considerable error (on my part), I am completely jackassed, and for just the second time since becoming a devoted gentooer, am in a minimally installed KDE environment. Even better, thanks to what I've learned regarding updating my system here, I feel (somewhat) confident that I can keep it up (sort of a digital viagra ). I have struggled through my 1st merge -e system (which took forever and required a couple of other merges to complete), thought I'd take a break to see if X would work, BAM, here I am!
My plan is to get the script now, and use that to keep my system healthy (Just say NO to emerge -uD newuse world!). Like I mentioned though, this is my second time making it this far with a Gentoo installation, so I'm still biting my lip a little, but it has never worked this well before thanks to your efforts!
I've installed this on an A30p ThinkPad (yes it's a Pentium M) as a Pentium III, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Thanks!!
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why you use emerge -e system? you did not do a clean install of jackass? |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Thank-you!! |
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| cubchai wrote: | | arjay wrote: | A special thanks to all of the developers of this toolkit. Not without considerable error (on my part), I am completely jackassed, and for just the second time since becoming a devoted gentooer, am in a minimally installed KDE environment. Even better, thanks to what I've learned regarding updating my system here, I feel (somewhat) confident that I can keep it up (sort of a digital viagra ). I have struggled through my 1st merge -e system (which took forever and required a couple of other merges to complete), thought I'd take a break to see if X would work, BAM, here I am!
My plan is to get the script now, and use that to keep my system healthy (Just say NO to emerge -uD newuse world!). Like I mentioned though, this is my second time making it this far with a Gentoo installation, so I'm still biting my lip a little, but it has never worked this well before thanks to your efforts!
I've installed this on an A30p ThinkPad (yes it's a Pentium M) as a Pentium III, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Thanks!!
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why you use emerge -e system? you did not do a clean install of jackass? |
More because I have had such bad luck in the past when using emerge -uD ---newuse world than any other reason. Following the manual on my first install, that was a suggestion after the installation was complete, followed up with a emerge -pv depclean and a revdep-rebuild. I was never able to get past that. It did some incredible things to the system like I/O error, did not recognize the drive and in the terminal, it had turned my numlocks on (and I couldn't turn them off--am on a notebook), so I wanted to see if I could get a system installed, and maintain it like it should be, without it falling apart which has been my experience in the last 10 or so installs. Plus, I had spent a couple of days getting KDE emerged and didn't want to start that process again. I'm very new with Gentoo, and haven't researched how to protect my packages from being wiped out when I do a fresh install. I've been starting from scratch each time. This time, I have formatted another partition to be used for just that purpose once I figure out how to do it.
I'm still having a few problems, but I would like to think that once I have it built the way I like it, that I can at least keep it that way when updating something rather than having to start from scratch each time. I am enjoying the experience of learning, but am more than a little tired of the compiling that takes several days to complete.
Anyhow, you're question has merit. I suppose it is easier(and quicker) to just do a clean jackass install since it's been made so simple, than to go through the lengthy process of emerge -e system.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Grub Error: "Error 15: File not found" |
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| pfbank wrote: | | pfbank wrote: |
Error 15: File not found
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Solved that silly mistake by just using reiserfs. However I get the following kernel error on boot:
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[<c0101365>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0x10
Code: 87 f0 02 00 00 7b 80 40 21 00 00 c7 44 24 04 f6 73 45 c0 c7 04 24 28 52 46 c0 89 44 24 08 e8 24 98 df ff 83 eb 02 74 9a <8b> 56 04 8b 0e 89 d0 f7 d0 39 c8 75 bf 8b 44 24 18 0f c9 89 4c
<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
Am I correct in thinking that this has something to do with how I configured my kernel?
Help? |
Grub errors should really be pursued in the sticky thread entitled "Grub Error Collection" in the Installing Gentoo forum. Believe it or not, every possible Grub question has been asked and answered in that thread, so we won't rehash it here.
If you're going to deviate from the install guide and change file systems, ultimately you are responsible for knowing what you are doing. this means that you have to enable support for your file system in your kernel, and you have to know enough to change the requisite fstab entries for each mounted volume to be compatible with your chosen file system. these aren't really Jackass!-specific problems -- they're more of a Gentoo Fundamentals kind of thing.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Grub Error: "Error 15: File not found" |
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Solved that silly mistake by just using reiserfs. However I get the following kernel error on boot:
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Sorry let me clarify the above: I solved it by doing a fresh jackass install- following the install guide's instructions.
Is the following error still related to filesystems?:
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[<c0101365>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0x10
Code: 87 f0 02 00 00 7b 80 40 21 00 00 c7 44 24 04 f6 73 45 c0 c7 04 24 28 52 46 c0 89 44 24 08 e8 24 98 df ff 83 eb 02 74 9a <8b> 56 04 8b 0e 89 d0 f7 d0 39 c8 75 bf 8b 44 24 18 0f c9 89 4c
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| Or possibly a potential hard disk or other hardware-related problem. I suggest that you try searching the other threads for something like "reiserfs kernel panic". Kernel panic support requests are extremely common, and not unique to Jackass! installations. |
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Hi, I just had a small question, how do you suggest we update /etc files? I don't use etc-update because I have heard horror stories with it, currently I use dispatch-conf, but not sure if that is the best method. Also, did you and the Jackass! Team do changes to the /etc files themselves? Since when I did dispatch-conf, some were radically different, and was thinking of adding back in the old ones and then adding whatever changes that may have been made to them. Do you have any advice on this subject?
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