X.org Lockups (part 2)

praseodymium · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 83

I haven't. But it's not a good comparison either: nv doesn't do 3D accel anyway, so you could also say that 3D accel crashes Xorg.

ctford0 · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:

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pankkake · n00b Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 24 Location: France

drefo · n00b Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 46

heavyjoost · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject:

If this is a X/kernel error, could it work without lockups in older kernels? Or with an older Xorg/XFree version but I believe that didn't work.

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drefo · n00b Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 46

pankkake · n00b Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 24 Location: France

Still crashing with "nv".
I'm going to disable agpgart/dri kernel support (altough my card is pci-e).

drefo · n00b Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 46

Update:

OK, my system still crashes even running SuSE 8.2 with the old X.

I was totally surprised by that, since I know that I formerly had no problems.

So I left memtest86+ running overnight, and at some point it crashed
with an `Unexpected Interrupt' error, dumping the registers and stack to the
screen. That's very bad, needless to say.

It seems I've got a hardware problem after all, either cpu, motherboard
or memory. I just replaced the memory, and I thought things were OK, since
I had already seen memtest86 run cleanly once through. But apparently things
are not quite right. I suppose it might be heat related, since it takes a while
to show up.

Anyway, I think that the crashes I'm seeing are probably not at all related
to what everyone else is seeing, even though most of the symptoms seemed to fit.

Sorry for the confusion.

For anyone with an older system who's seeing these kinds of lockups I'ld
say it's worth doing an extended run of memtest86.

cybertronix · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject:

Here's my version of the X lockup story. I was having trouble with this in both Mandrake 10.0 and Gentoo until I noticed a lot of error messages about wmfire in my console after I started X (didn't happen in Mandrake though). I removed wmfire and was stable for a while, so I assumed it was that. i installed a newer version than what is in portage and all of a sudden everything was happy. I had a 50 day uptime before having to shut down to move my computer.

After the move I never got quite that large an uptime due to a number of hardware upgrades (but no X lockups) and eventually I bought myself a new hard drive. Re-installed Gentoo on it, used the newer version of wmfire, and started getting X crashes again. At least I assume they're still X crashes as each time it has happened when I wasn't actually at the computer. One time the screensaver was frozen on the screen as was the computer, and the other times I came home and it was locked solid but the screen had already shut off due to powersave mode. It appears that it happened again today because my web site hosted on that computer has suddenly stopped responding again. Can't ping or ssh either. My experience has been that if I catch the lockup quickly enough I can ssh in and sometimes restart X, although sometimes that locks the computer too. After a long enough time though it stops responding altogether.

So I guess I'm still looking for that one element that changed from my original Gentoo installation to my new one. Fortunately I still have the old partition around so I can check settings if need be.

Good luck to everyone in figuring this out. Hopefully we can get it licked and go back to never having to reboot.

Oh, and I have a couple of Suse boxes at work that are coming up on 50 days themselves (basically since they were installed) without a hitch. Of note is the fact that one is using the i810 drivers and the other is using the nv driver.

Gergan Penkov · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:

It is probably offtopic, but after switching off RenderAccel, i don't have any lockups anymore, but ... What is interesting in recent times :
1)I hear a beep, when I start X (strange),
2) sometimes galeon hangs, but could not lock up the system
3) today I tried the glxgears, first as a normal user - it was around 700-800, which is way too little (I use NVidia GForce4 440MX - but I don't play, and it suffices me), because earlier runs have showed more (how much I don't know but it was in 1000s, probably 1200 or sth like this). Then I tried it as a root, it was a little faster, but what was very strange were the return of the beeps at regular intervals, so long the glxgears ran.
4) After this I could not switch to console with f1-f6, the display simply goes in poweroff, switching back shows X.
Have someone such an experience and what it could be - probably the kernel, I use 2.6.12-love1 (no splash and vesafb)?
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yaneurabeya · Veteran Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 1754 Location: Seattle

Considering all of the apparent issues, it's most likely something with the OpenGL tie-ins with the kernel and X. Still no issues with FreeBSD after many weeks of testing with the latest nVidia driver 1 month ago (haven't updated since I'm living off-campus now though...).

Pinkis · n00b Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

Yes I had lockups too. I've tried various driver versions, played with xorg.conf but in vain. There was no way to do the job with nvidia provided drivers but "nv" was ok. Now I'am pretty sure that in my case it was a hardware problem cause after switching my old GF2 MX400 to another old GF FX 5200 the problem vanished. And I must add that gentoo was not the only one OS that had problems with previous video card (oh yes I have windows xp in mind). So the moral of the strory is that maybe I say maybe some of you guys have faulty hardware too.

Annie · n00b Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 2 Location: Netherlands.

I had the same random freezes for a while. So, I downgraded from a Nvidia 7664 module to the version prior to that. And I decided to disable RenderAccell and "GLX" within my Xorg.conf for a while. Till now I noticed that KDE loads faster (I could notice some lag while KDE was trying to render some images) and the lockup didn't occur for almost 20 minutes at this point. Usually it occurred whenever I started Konqueror and trying to post to some discussion boards...

Let's see if it stays this stable....
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pankkake · n00b Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 24 Location: France

3 days (no reboots) without lockups. I have disabled AGP GART and DRI support in the kernel and added

sbbeebe · Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Work around

UPDATE
the solution below helped, but didn't prevent lockups from re-ocurring.
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Well, obviously there's an xorg / kernel bug underneath all this. Therefore there is no solution here, but I was able to get a usable system by:

1) updating to latest nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx (7667).
2) setting NvAGP = "0" in xorg.conf. Used to have it set to "1".
[edit]
3) turning off the hardware cursor (HarwareCursor = "False").
[/edit]

As with most other posters in this thread I tried all kinds of things - changing use flags and recompiling, upgrading / down grading various packages, but I pretty much ended up back where I started (a gentoo sources 2.6 kernel based system, using stable packages) with the above two changes. When I was getting lockups, all I had to do was run glxgears and then try to move glxgears window and it would lockup every time.

Here's some other relevant info:

Kernel 2.6.12-r6 gentoo sources

Xorg version 6.8.99.14
snip from xorg.cong...

whoracle · n00b Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 33

I had some similiar problem, the computer hanging both with X running and not. But only when connected to the network i think.. After a couple of months i got pissed off and tried windows on the computer, it ran quite fine and I went back for gentoo and now it works fine too!? I have absolutely no idea what could have caused this strange behaviour! But happy I am

now i run:
nvidia-kernel: 1.0.6629-r4 (driver version?)
kernel: 2.6.12-r4
driver I use is vesa!? will be changed now to see if any difference occurs.

jtox · n00b Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 8 Location: A desert

This happens to me as well and I'm suprised that this thread has lasted so long without any clear solution ... Out of curiosity, would anyone still having problems want to post the size of their virtual memory, and what kind of DRI/GART settings they do (or don't in the case of nvidia) have - along with whatever ACPI settings are used? Also, for the person who can reboot from ssh, can you post up your X error log of the approximate time when X locked up? Has anyone tried debugging+ssh? Or perhaps waiting for X to lock while on a separate tty?

It usually happens to me with xscreensaver starting and running kaleidoscope (yes I turned it off!) ... aside from glxgears, anyone else have any separate cases?
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renrutal · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject:

zeus_045 · n00b Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 1

I tried posting this on my gentoo machine but it locked up !!

Locksup 95% of the time when using gaim, but has locked when browsing and well, posting the first version of this.
Tried switching back to the `nv' driver, lockups are just a frequent.

a7n8x-delux
amd xp 2500
nvidia gforce 4 ti 4200

My box use to lockup in the shell as well (no X) until I disabled APIC, so far no lockups have happened, so thats a seperate issue afaik. The lockups in X are quite random, felt like posting this, even with the lack of logs and knowledge, because it may help somehow...

I have another box running slack with the nvidia drivers, running a gefore 3 ti 4200, and its running gun, not a single crash. MIght switch cards see what happens.
I'm also going to put slack on there, and see what happens as well.

My laptop (tecra m2 - fx 5200), which also ran slackware and fedora at one stage with nvidia drivers ran gun also, once I put gentoo on there I was getting random lockups on starting X. Running `nv' only gets me a stable system, no lockups. Disabling framebuffers also sorted out a corrupted screen on closing X with the bonus of yet another random lockup(running nv allowed me to keep the framebuffers and avoid this issue). Also would like to add I tried out ubuntu, had exactly the same problems.

Over and out.

azuriel · Apprentice Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 166

Okay, my freezes have stopped. Before, it would commonly lockup (no keyboard input) when using firefox, and just firefox. I could still ssh in and reboot, but that was about it. However, after setting

TheCarNinja · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:55 am Post subject:

I figured i would add my own two cents like the others in the hope it may help in some way and also since im about as desperate as the rest of you to try and solve this. :cry:

Specs:
IBM T22 Thinkpad
900mhz
IXSavage Card
no opengl
no dri
Jackass Gentoo 2005.0
2.6.12-r4 kernel
X.org(6.8.2r2) + XFCE4

Also this is a brand new Gentoo install.

I've been having very similar if not exactly the same problems that all you have been describing on this/these thread(s) for quite some time; I'd say about a year ago. I changed kernels and then bam, i was hit with this spontaneous freezing bit. Sometimes while using the box i'll get about 5 minutes of usability out of it before it locks up on me, sometimes ill get a day or even three days. Its really random and doesn't seem to have much to do with what i do, browsing, coding, typing ect. It always goes down though. I run 2 other gentoo boxes and they dont have these problems (although now it honestly seems like I'm tempting fate saying that).

The freeze is the same, the machine locks up, if theres music that gets stuck on whatever pitch it was last playing, and all inputs have no effect. I've tried sshing into the box but all i get is no route to host. Reading through the thread I saw someone suggested adding some kernel options in grub.

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Luka21 · n00b Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 39

Could it be the fault in X accelleration system and some drivers using hardware acceleration?

In my case using ati proprietary driver with radeon 9000 mobility resaults in frequent freezing when using 2D, but is stable for playing most of the games (ut2004, warcraft III, rtcw, ...).

Setting agpmask and agpmode didn't fix anything for me, but if I intentionaly set
opengl-update xorg-x11
which renders dri useless for fglrx driver,
my xorg stopps/reduces freezing and 2D movement is still accellerated.

edit: it is still freezing, but less frequent

I think this particular problem will actullay be resolved - atleast ati marked both of my tickets for freezing as resolved.