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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject: Portage to be ported to Windows Reply with quote

http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10616

I'm not sure what to think of this, but cool idea.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My comment is number 14...

Edit: It's not an April Fools' Joke! 8O
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
My comment is number 14...

Edit: It's not an April Fools' Joke! 8O


HAHA! I didn't even look at the name. (I'm comment 18 )
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadow Skill wrote:
there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows.

Code:
emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx

I see problems arise...
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL well you would just be prompted for the serial it wouldn't be THAT bad if done right.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadow Skill wrote:
LOL well you would just be prompted for the serial it wouldn't be THAT bad if done right.

1. serial sites don't really make such a serial question effective
2. portage is opensource software: I just delete the serial question from the ebuild and go ahead with installing photoshop (or whatever)
3. legal issues: you bet all kinds of companies will not like this a lot...


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That problem has already been addressed in Gentoo Portage. Fetch restrictions (insert the Photoshop CD, or download it from Adobe, or pirate it like 90% of its users, but you're not getting it from Portage), promt for the serial and license agreement during the installation, and you're good to go.
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freelight wrote:
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here.

Good point
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q-collective wrote:
Shadow Skill wrote:
there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows.

Code:
emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx

I see problems arise...

Yup, that is a big problem
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freelight wrote:
That problem has already been addressed in Gentoo Portage. Fetch restrictions (insert the Photoshop CD, or download it from Adobe, or pirate it like 90% of its users, but you're not getting it from Portage), promt for the serial and license agreement during the installation, and you're good to go.
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here.


why?
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were to apply this to Windows when ever you had to entre the serial you would simply be prompted when first trying to execute the program or there would be a prompt inside the installer, this is not a real problem at all if you use a bit of sense.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is already proprietary software in portage that requires serials to work. UT2004 and VMWare come to mind immediately as those are the two that I use, but I'm quite certain there are more.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But OMFG wasn't it suppossed to be magically impossible for such things to be installed via a portage or even yum like system? I mean friggin WOW!
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoo? On Windows?

That's distinctly unholy.

I feel bad enough booting into Windows in order to get some other tasks done that don't work in Linux, and even checking the Gentoo forums to help troubleshoot someone's minor installation difficulties feels ... wrong, somehow.:? Like I'm tainting something good and right (Gentoo) with something evil and scheming (Windows).

Sure, maybe it's a step toward reliability from Microsoft, but I wonder if they'd try to copyright it or in some other ways twist the license/copyrights to their advantage.

Portage? On Windows? Why?!? I can't think of any pressing reasons to implement it.

Good luck to the developers, though.

Maybe this is a good thing--a better future, more thoroughly Gentoo-ified world. 8)
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it related to this?
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightmorph wrote:
Sure, maybe it's a step toward reliability from Microsoft, but I wonder if they'd try to copyright it or in some other ways twist the license/copyrights to their advantage.

It's not a MS project. It has absolutely nothing to do with them other than the fact that it's being ported to their OS. MS would never adopt portage.

And why the hell is it not a good idea to link to OSNews.com? That's the silliest thing I've heard all day.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pretty stupid.

For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows. It doesn't exist. The worst I've ever gone through was needing to install VB6 libraries from elsewhere.

Also, if it's only for SFU then it's not like there's going to be a huge library of software... just your basic Unix tools.

Whoop-di-doo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given M. Sur wrote:
And why the hell is it not a good idea to link to OSNews.com? That's the silliest thing I've heard all day.

I can't figure out why that's a bad idea, either. AFAIK OSnews is trustworthy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vonhelmet wrote:
For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows.
DLL hell is far worse.

nightmorph wrote:
AFAIK OSnews is trustworthy.
I quit reading or paying attention to OSNews when I asked them to make a correction and they did not.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
vonhelmet wrote:
For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows.
DLL hell is far worse.


Perhaps, but DLL hell is also far rarer than dependency hell in Linux.

Also, Portage on Windows won't be able to handle DLL hell in Windows if it's only designed for SFU, so it's pretty much a moot point.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shadow Skill wrote:
there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows.

Code:
emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx

I see problems arise...


not really, see how VMware handles serialcodes ? thats in portage too.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark_priest wrote:
Q-collective wrote:
Shadow Skill wrote:
there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows.

Code:
emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx

I see problems arise...


not really, see how VMware handles serialcodes ? thats in portage too.

Yes, but vmware is one of the very few commercial packages in the portage tree, and vmware didn't make an issue out of it (yet?)
But windows land is a whole different landscape: just about every package there is commercial or at least closed sourced and 90+% of the people are using windows.
I still see problems arise.

And maybe the fetch restriction could be a solution, but it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless

The whole point of porting portage to Windows is to make it easier to install *nix programs in SFU. I highly doubt the developers doing the port intend to have it install anything else. Unless they also intend to manage their own portage tree. But I seriously doubt that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given M. Sur wrote:
Q-collective wrote:
it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless

The whole point of porting portage to Windows is to make it easier to install *nix programs in SFU. I highly doubt the developers doing the port intend to have it install anything else. Unless they also intend to manage their own portage tree. But I seriously doubt that.

Hmm, then it would make more sense :P
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