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dragonian
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 Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: bootup really slow on athlon64 x32 [solved] |
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I just got my new athlon 64 system (3500+, GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9, nvidia FX5300)
Its going to be file sever & and a new mythtv frontend/backend.
I use the 2004.3 live cd last night to do a stage 3 (athlon-xp) install, and proceeded with the install just like i've done on a number of other systems(p4&aXP). Compiled a genkernel, setup grub and restarted.
It takes forever to boot. Loading all of the usb & firewire modules took a while, but it wasn't as bad as it gets later. "Computing module dependencies" takes like 10 mins. If i let it go, it will get past it, but takes another very long time on hotpluging things. (each more then 5 mins). I think it eventually finishes booting, since i can ping the nic, tho i couldn't ssh in since i forgot to add the daemon. The monitor blanks after like 10 mins, and the keyboard doesn't seem to wake it up.
I tried another non-genkernel, kernel, same result.
i tried ahorn's x64 live cd. it was slower. you could watch each line refresh the video.
The 2003.4 live cd bootup happens very fast.
I jsut installed winxp-64 rc2, and it works very fast (all but the sil 3114, which works fine in gentoo).
What am I missing? Should I try a native 64 installation? My plan was to try out the system & get it working in 32 bit, and then play with the 64.
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dragonian
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I got it working finally.
Using acpi=ht as a kernel option it works. It boots at the speed that you'd figure this machine should.
So it looks like acpi=ht disables acpi execpt for turning on hypertransport. So i'm assuming that acpi is now off. I'd like to have it on, so i can use the cool & quiet, but I can live.
Is there a problem with acpi using the hypertransport? is there some kernel option that i missed? Or is it mistakenly slowing the processor down during bootup?
I'm using 2.6.10-gentoo-r6, is there a better kernel that would work for me? |
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eyekahn
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: bootup really slow on athlon64 x32 |
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| dragonian wrote: |
I use the 2004.3 live cd last night to do a stage 3 (athlon-xp) install, and proceeded with the install just like i've done on a number of other systems(p4&aXP). Compiled a genkernel, setup grub and restarted.
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What am I missing? Should I try a native 64 installation? My plan was to try out the system & get it working in 32 bit, and then play with the 64.
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IIRC, I had a rough time with the athlon-xp install on my 64. At the time I didn't realize there was a livecd specifically for AMD64 
The system was horribly slow (I have a 3000/1G ram) for some reason, in almost everything it would do.
Once I used the 64 livecd things got a litle better. Couldn't pull off a stage 1 because every other emerge command would crash & burn. I wonder if they have all of that fixed yet..
Determined to do a Stage 1 for my shiny new 64, I ran across this and it worked beautifully:
Stage 1 NPTL on a Stage 3 Tarball
Anyway, I can't say for sure that it will fix it, but I have about 4 Firefox windows open, XMMS playing, a few torrents open, and an IRC client going and the system monitor says "Used CPU: 1.0%"  I love it.
I'm using the masked gentoo-dev-sources kernel and it has been working without a hitch. Go straight to 64 bit and save yourself the grief I went through
Your monster should be able to eat a Stage 1 install for breakfast. I'm jealous, I want one  |
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blue666man
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: same issue of init taking forever... |
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I'm having the same problem on a new install on my new box: Athlon64 3000+, nVidia 6600GT, 1GB PC3200, 2x Raptors in RAID 0.
The kernel loads pretty quickly, but ANYTHING that init does takes FOREVER; i'm talking 2-3 mins per line for things like "loading key mappings" it just gets worse for hot/cold plug and calculating dependencies. Even simple tasks like "setting user font" take well over 2 mins. As I'm typing this, init on my box is taking 3 minutes to "enable numlock on ttys" 3 MINUTES TO ENABLE NUMLOCK!!! Although, i do have to admit that I'm proud that I was able to get Gentoo installed and bootable for my first time EVER  !
I did an install with the Stage 1 on 3 from scratch; 64-bit multilib enviroment. And yes, I double checked that the toolchain was updated and re-emerged b4 emerging system. I'm about to try a few speedups I found here https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=231170 , but I don't think that's going to do much concerning coldplugging, etc. When the system finally does boot (~45 mins), everything is slow, even when sshelling in. I am currently using acpi, but I'll try disabling it. I thought my box would be rediculously fast
Please help!
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dragonian
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: Re: same issue of init taking forever... |
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| blue666man wrote: | I'm having the same problem on a new install on my new box: Athlon64 3000+, nVidia 6600GT, 1GB PC3200, 2x Raptors in RAID 0.
The kernel loads pretty quickly, but ANYTHING that init does takes FOREVER; i'm talking 2-3 mins per line for things like "loading key mappings" it just gets worse for hot/cold plug and calculating dependencies. Even simple tasks like "setting user font" take well over 2 mins. As I'm typing this, init on my box is taking 3 minutes to "enable numlock on ttys" 3 MINUTES TO ENABLE NUMLOCK!!! Although, i do have to admit that I'm proud that I was able to get Gentoo installed and bootable for my first time EVER !
I did an install with the Stage 1 on 3 from scratch; 64-bit multilib enviroment. And yes, I double checked that the toolchain was updated and re-emerged b4 emerging system. I'm about to try a few speedups I found here https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=231170 , but I don't think that's going to do much concerning coldplugging, etc. When the system finally does boot (~45 mins), everything is slow, even when sshelling in. I am currently using acpi, but I'll try disabling it. I thought my box would be rediculously fast
Please help!
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I still have to use acpi=ht otherwise it does not work. the keyboard also does not work. Passing this option to the kernel, and everything work flawlessly, (except for acpi, and things that depend on it). I have now re-compiled everything using the stage 1/3 method, and everything else works gret, just not acpi.
What motherboard do you have? I'm guessing that there is a problem in the bios. |
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blue666man
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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dragonian, you may very well be right, I have a chaintech VNF4 Ultra ZENITH VE (nForce 4 Ultra socket 939); which is still quite bleeding edge. I got the board 2 months ago and just noticed a new BIOS update came out, and I'll be trying it. I also just tried acpi=ht, it; along with the other tweaks DID help alot, but even the liveCD with noapci is still like watching paint dry. I did a memtest86 (passed) so I'm fairly certain that all the hardware is OK. I guess I'll give the BIOS update a shot... Thanks for your reply.
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dragonian
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| blue666man wrote: | | but even the liveCD with noapci is still like watching paint dry. |
I'm thinking that noacpi is prb very bad. Since the processor utilizes hypertransport, turning all acpi off is presumably very bad. acpi=ht turns it off except for the hypertransport.
when i set that option, my system works great, very fast. Nothing else seemed to help at all. |
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trinitrotoluene
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Problem solved w/o acpi=ht |
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Hey, I just got the same mobo as you. Updated to F3 BIOS and now I don't have to pass acpi=ht when booting. Boots up lickety-split!. The computer also completely shutsdown when I do a shutdown -h now. Before it'd stop after unmounting filesystems.
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dragonian
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I just updated too, works great now. There was jsut another thread about it also. |
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